Not only that, but to add injury to insult, All the cops involved never got a day worth of jail time. The all got off, even with them clubbing the hell outta him on tape.Originally Posted by CloudSquallandZidane
Now with the case about the white guy who got beat by a mob of black guys, all of them went to jail.
Hows that for justice?
Actualy, they never did prove that there was contamination. As for the glove... 1- he was wearing latex gloves under them. 2- Wet leather shrinks as it dries. 3- O.J. had his fingers splayed so that they couldn't be pulled on.(imagine trying to get clothing on to a struggling 2-year old). And 4- They did fit, just not well.And lets not forget the GROSS nelegence by the investigation team, including contaminating the crime scene, im suprised the judge didnt dismiss the case. Also "If the glove doesnt fit, u must aquit.". Now i think OJ did it, but if the jurors actually said that i'd support a retrial.
All the black guys who beat Reginald Denny went to jail? Really? Wow, when did this happen?
"I resent the idea that the riots were "retaliation" for Rodney King."
They were retaliation for Rodney King. Black people weren't happy with the ruling that was handed down, so they figured they'd "punish" the city in their own way. Poor black neighborhoods took a lot of damage because it was black people that were looting and smashing things, and they were either too lazy or too stupid to leave the local area before they did it.
"Either way, if you even try to say the black panthers were worse, or even like the KKK, you're one mixed up individual."
How many times do I have to say this. AT THE TIME, the Black Panthers were worse than the KKK. There was a certain, short, period of time when there were more incidents traced back to the Black Panthers than there were to the KKK. (And no, it's not because everybody was a racist and blamed everything on the black people.) Not throughout history, not overall, but within a few years.
"i agree with you there. its was more fun just knowing that a black man beat the system at its own game. i know i never really cared weather he did it or not."
You never cared that somebody who slaughtered two people was set free? Is that because he was black, or do you only care that a criminal is punished if he's white? He didn't "beat the system at its own game". First of all, the "system" isn't playing a "wrongly-convict-the-black-man" game, no matter how many people think it is. Second, still, he deserved to be punished for it.
"What the hell is "real" racsim and "fake" racism?"
Nobody mentioned "fake racism". But trying to compare what you go through to what black people went through in the 60s and such is like comparing a modern military finance officer to an enlisted infantryman in Vietnam. It just don't match up. Even if people still do face racism now, it is NOTHING compared to what they faced almost half a century ago.
"Hell not to long ago there was a case where at Couple of good ole white boys tied a black guy up to the back of their pick up truck and dragged him for a couple miles."
I know about that. He died. And both of the white guys got life sentences. There was an ad for Gore, I think, that had a little black girl talking about how "when George W. Bush refused to sign this hate crime bill into law, it was like killing my daddy all over again." For one thing, "hate crimes" are regulations against thoughts, not actions, and for another, they were already punished, so it's not like they would have gotten off clean unless they were tried for a hate crime.
"Every time you turn on the news and you see something bad that involves black folks but you never even see or hear about crimes commited by white people; RACISM. Everytime you look and they ALWAYS show black people on welfare, show black people being homeless, like there are no white homeless and no white people on welfare ; RACISM. Everytime you see drug users and or people selling drugs you are only gonna hear about black people. All that is a form of racism. It helps to flame the steretypes about black people that you so obviously believe in."
You know why that is, genius? You know why it is that they show crimes being committed by black people, or people on welfare that are black, or druggies that are black? BECAUSE THEY ARE. It's not "racism", it's "news". Black people make up the majority of the people on welfare--how is that possible, when only 12% of the population is black? Oh, sorry, I forgot, it's because the whole world is racist against black people, right? Why do black people make up a good percentage of the people in jail? Sorry, it's not because "the system has it in for black people", it's because THEY'RE GUILTY. Now, why is it that there are so many black criminals when, again, they only make up 12% of the population? Same thing with drug users. It's not because all the media is racist, it's because it's accurate. Get over it.
"And lets not get on these pussy ass public defenders that dont give a damn weather you go to jail or not. They get paid weather you go to jail or not."
Yes, they get paid. But they're employed by the government, so they don't get paid much. They usually trying to get a good record, and a good name for themself, so that they can get a job at a firm somewhere. So yes, they'll get paid anyway, but most public defenders don't make a career out of it. And if the public defenders don't give adequate counsel, then the convicted can have the case appealed on that grounds, and probably get it overturned. Oh, but sorry, I forgot, the judge won't overturn a case upon inadequate counsel because it's a black guy and judges are racist, right?
"Like on the news when they do a crimnal description.Its most of hte time a black male with low cut or faded hair."
That's because, a lot of the time, it's a black male with low cut or faded hair that commits the crime.
I'd like to say more, but I got to get a shower and take care of some things. More later...bt I'll wait until y'all come back with things.
First off it appears that being a single woman with kids and no husband is the biggest predictor of poverty. Your odds of being poor double no matter what race you are.
Secondly, most people in prisons are white, not black. At least according to the US DOJ. So as to which crimes are more likely to make the evening news, I don't know which ones are more violent. I suspect that it's the violentness of the actual crime the person committed.
Yeah, look it up.
No, i dont care. AND it was more like, the feelin that white people got away with doing stuff to black people for so long. That it was about time blacks got away with something. I could care less if he chopped up those two people. And honestly, if the situation was reverserd and a white guy chopped up two people, you wouldnt really give a damn neither.
I wasnt trying to compare. All im saying is, racism is still racism. And its still going strong today. AND waht do you know? Your White. You have no grounds to be telling anybody about racism. You dont know how its feels to be descrimanted on because of your race. Even a little bit. I wont even respond to you no more on this subject.
Ok, so are you really saying that black people commit more crimes than white people. Now i will agree there are more black people than white people in jail, but that doesnt mean black people commit more crimes. That means more black people get convicted. There is no way to even show who does more crime. You also believe that more black people are on drugs that white people. There is also no way to show that. Welfare...Ive looked up and down for statics on welfare, and i couldnt find one that said there are more blacks on welfare over white people. So basically you are spitting out your personal beliefs at me. You dont know if half of these things you state is true or not.
how many cases do you really think gets overturned this way? not many.
The point he was trying to make is that, thats to general a description. Thats like just like saying ; crimnal descripton, black male.
Saying criminal desciption; black male with low cut hair, basically gives them the right to pull over anyone black. Hell i could fit the desciption to a crime that was commited in california right now under that description, and i live in DC.
I am certian it was this thread, but in many small towns, racism, amazingly enough, is not all that prominent. We got a black fella in our school just a bit ago.. and well he was brought to almost instant popularity cause he happened to be good at a particular sport. Another black fella several years ago was also fairly popular du to the fact that that he was funny.
Anyways, I know very well my school would discriminate against someon.. but it would be for thier interests/tastes and actions and not race.
It is obvious however that some areas of the US have some really extreme racism.. Disgusting really.. My teacher when he was stationed in the south how many years ago had a black buddy. This black buddy was not allowed to be served in several dinners, due to the fact that the owners would fire the waitresses for feeding a black person... Really disgusting.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
Exactly. How someone can say "Oh, well, a mother of two was nearly decapitated, and an innocent man was stabbed to death for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that's okay, because blacks are discriminated against" and still look at themselves in the mirror, is beyond me.You never cared that somebody who slaughtered two people was set free? Is that because he was black, or do you only care that a criminal is punished if he's white? He didn't "beat the system at its own game". First of all, the "system" isn't playing a "wrongly-convict-the-black-man" game, no matter how many people think it is. Second, still, he deserved to be punished for it.
well first because i dont really care. I mean, people die and get murdered everyday. It doesnt affect me to hear about it. Then on top of that, i would have to think Oj did it. Now, i he may have had a hand in it. But i dont believe he could have done it by himself. i mean, for him to stab to death two people at the same time. Two much younger people at that. Im not sure how old His wife was, but i know Ron Goldman was in his 20's and was a regular at the gym. So you mean to tell this phyiscally fit indivudual allowed Oj to stab him and the woman. I don think so. There was more too it. AND not only that, if he was so guilty,why was the police planting evidence to try and make him guilty. Obviously, a jury saw it my way. Why are white people still so hung up over this. This must be like "the fish that got away".Exactly. How someone can say "Oh, well, a mother of two was nearly decapitated, and an innocent man was stabbed to death for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that's okay, because blacks are discriminated against" and still look at themselves in the mirror, is beyond me.
now i wasnt saying that it isnt bad that two people died. all im saying is that, normal, a black man in that situation would have been put to death. Even with all the evidence that proved him to be innocent a black man wouldnt have normally gotten off. I mean, you see how it is that even with the evidence that set him free, you all still dont want to believe that he's innocent. But had it been a white man, accussed of murdering a black man, you wouldnt have been so quick to condem him. Like ive always said, its not fair. and i was just glad to see a black man beat the system. i could care less weather or not he did it.
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Why do you feel the need to generalize people based upon their race? Not all white people think he was guilty, not all black people think he was innocent. Given that the only people that know for sure are the ones involved, we'll never know. But good Lord, stop stereotyping people based on the color of their skin. White, black, freaking purple, it doesnt matter. We are all individuals. We all have rough times in our lives. We all experience discrimination to some degree over the course of our lives. No, this is not a continuation of the previous arguments stated, I wont get into that nonsense again. But get over the skin color. Am I the only one who doesnt draw a line between OJ's race and the probablity of him being guilty?
How would you feel if I said "Why are black people always so convinced every black is innocent?". Extend some common courtesy and common sense, please.
you are right, but i was only responding to someone who was also making generalizations. And once you start a conversation making generalizations and stereotypes, they kinda get carried away.
now i understand that not every white feels OJ did it, and not everyone black feels he was innocent, that was never my point. My whole point was, i dont care if he did it or not.
And with some of theses things we've been talking about, there is no grey area to be in between, there is only black and white.
But i hear you. i will try to calm the stereotyping and generalizing down.
I know the point you were trying to make, but I do get sick of hearing the "Oh well, white people..." just as much as I get sick of "Oh well, black people..." but the first one is usually far more PC and accepted than the other.
Thank you :skull3: I apologize if I got snappy. <3
Yes, most people in prison are white. But by percentage, there are more black prisoners than there are white. How else could I put it... The percentage of the black population that is in jail is higher than the percentage of the white population that is in jail. Just like people on welfare, and people that use drugs. There may not be more numbers, but blacks only make up 12% of the population of America, so of course the numbers won't be equal. But if there are, let's just say, 10 white people on welfare, and 5 black people, when there are only 1000 white people and 100 black people in the country, that's what I'm talking about.
Let's get real, people. Nowadays, if you didn't commit the crime, there is an EXTREMELY thin chance you will be convicted of it. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the idea that all your lawyers, judges, and jury members are racists and just want to see a black guy to go jail.
Our of all the guys who almost beat Reginald Denny to death, I believe ONE was actually punished for it. He's the one that was posing for the camera and smashing ol' Reggie's head with a cinder block. So, no, the people that beat up Reginald Denny did not go to jail, save one.
The statement that "if it was a white person that was proven to slaughter two people in cold blood and got off perfectly clean, you wouldn't give a damn either" is completely absurd. I don't care what color a guy is, if he does what OJ did, he deserves to have his brains scrambled and his eyeballs popped. And if a white man was in OJ's shoes, he WOULD have been found guilty, simply because he couldn't play the race card, and people wouldn't feel "we should feel sorry for black people, so we'll try to make it up to them by letting this double-murderer go free". Oh, and by the way, OJ was a retired football player, which meant he was pretty damn athletic. And you don't have to be extremely strong to kill somebody with a knife. Or two people.
Just because somebody may be white doesn't mean they don't know what racism feels like. You know, not only does the whole world NOT hate black people, but there are sections where white people are looked down upon just as much as there are sections where black people are looked down upon. Plus, you always have things like racial quotas (Affirmative Action), which are racist in favor of minorities.
OJ wasn't "the fish that got away". He was "the guilty man that was set free". Black people should be just as outraged as white people are, race shouldn't matter when you're talking about a double murderer.
EDIT: By the way, OJ didn't stab "two people at the same time". He slit Nicole Brown's throat, chased down and killed Goldman, then came back and made hamburger out of the lady. Not "impossible" in the least bit.
But thats not what you said at first. And no, most people in jail are black. ive already said that. Why is it that you refuse to believe that in alot of cases, black people get a raw deal when it comes to these things. And on top of that, there is still no real way to even know how many crimes are accually commited and who's commiting them.
yeah...ok.
yeah, ok, but out of all the cops that beat rodney king down, NONE OF THEM went to jail.
he retired from the nFL in 1979. he hadn't played football in 15years. He was almost 50 when he was accussed of these crimes. thats more than enough time not be physical as fit as you where. not only that, he had arthritis was a old then. Do you honestly believe a 50 year old man with arthritis could chase down a young man in his 20's. Who was also an anthlete and physically fit. lets be real.
ok but i didnt say that The whole world hated black folks and i never said there arent places where white folks are looked down upon. im Talking about America. THE USA. Where have you gon in america where white folks arent accepted? Where have you lived in america where White folks are really descrimanated on for being white? that dont even sound right.
*laughs* yeah...whatever you say.
*see statement on how old OJ was above. *
We dont know what happened and how it went down. so we cant even assume to in what order they were killed.
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On OJ, I don't know if he did it or not personally. I wasn't there, and I was far too young to really pay attention when that trial was going on. But yeah, I hated the whole "cuz he's black..." sentiment over that whole thing. Besides, if you want to talk about the criminal justice system, there's very large amount of African Americans working in it now. I seriously doubt they're out to get as many black people as they can thrown in jail.
Of course, with the way people talk about race SO FREAKING MUCH in criminal stats, I could see how it would appear that way...it bothers me.
But I seriously doubt OJ's verdict, reguadless of what it was, would of been related to his skin shade.
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I apologize, I worded it wrong. I didn't mean that there are, numerically, more black people in prison than there are white people. But I did explain myself already.
Why do you refuse to believe that the world isn't out to get black people? Like I said, you can subscibe to the idea that everybody in the justice system (and jury members) is a racist and wants to just put a bunch of black people in prison, but when you pull your head out from under the rock, you may see the truth.
Out of the cops that beat up Rodney King, none of them were convicted and sentenced to a jail term, no. But it went on their records. Out of all the guys that stomped Reginald Denny, ONE went to trial. And none of the cops were "punished" because Rodney King deserved it! Rodney King had a reason to be beat, and not just the color of his skin like Reginald Denny.
OJ didn't have to chase Ron much. He was trying to defend Nicole, so he came to OJ not too far from where she was. So is it really so hard to believe that an athletic 45-year-old ex-NFL star could stab an athletic 20-year-old? Or, what, he would only be able to do it if he was white? (By the way, OJ kept in shape, like most pro athletes do when they retire.) And how do I know how they were killed? Because I paid attention to the trial, and that's what the trial showed. He subdued her, confronted/killed him, and then came back and finished her off. The evidence was plain and simple, to anybody that didn't care what color he was.
Ah--so you don't think the whole world hates black people, only the whole country, one of the most tolerant countries on the planet? And yes, there are places where white people are discriminated against. I've been through some of the bad parts of Chicago and Atlanta, trust me, there are plenty of people who hate white people out there. (That probably doesn't sound right to you because you didn't use decent spelling or grammar. If you used a dictionary, it might look better.)
I'm starting to understand it more clearly. You don't give a damn if a black person commits a crime, because everybody in America is racist against black people anyway, and they'd find some black guy to take the fall. But if a white guy commits a crime--especially, Heaven forbid, against a black person--then off with his balls. It reflects a lot of shame upon yourself--and anybody who agrees with you, whatever color they may be--to say that you don't care that somebody who slaughtered two innocent people is out on the streets still because he's black. Your mother must be so proud of you...unless she was the one who taught you to be racist.
EDIT: Why did OJ lose his civil case, if he was innocent?
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