abortion

[DragonflyLex]

actually it has been physcologically proven that a huge chunk of development occurs after birth, those first few days after being born is highly important for a childs future development. True it does develop in the womb.. but there are radical changes very quickly after birth.. before birth the brain is not even fully connected, many of the nuerons finish forming after the birth. I wish I had my text wiht me I could scan the pictures of the complexity before and after birht... there is quite a difference.

This would solve it all for me(the answer is coming, isn't it suspensful?),

If instead of an abortion we could just transfer they zygote to a freezer tube, that way a couple who happens to be sterile could have a baby through a form of transfer.... this would be much better then abortion in my opinion, and could bring happyness to others.

I am certian for this to work it would have to be caught EARLY, thus negating the deadline debate, cause there would be a certian date where it just wouldn't work anymore. Also I ain't even sure If our technology is developed enough to remove a child a few weeks old and store it for future "use".

I'm sure if it were entirely true...I would remember such as that. There aren't that many radical changes. Vision takes a while...and so do many other things. But the point is...is the baby alive or not? Is it abortion or murder. Even though I have no been the one pregnant...i've been by a lot recently have. I have experienced those babies reactions and all sorts. My little brother who has just turned for...my best friend who had a baby two and half years ago...who got an abortion for the second one...then had a baby a couple weeks ago...they aren't the only ones either I have encountered. There are more.

[DragonflyLex]

Dragonfly...you lost. Just give it up. You can't be the super saiyans.

I don't care if we know each other in real life...stop trying to piss me off.

[ShunNakamura]

This would solve it all for me(the answer is coming, isn't it suspensful?),

If instead of an abortion we could just transfer they zygote to a freezer tube, that way a couple who happens to be sterile could have a baby through a form of transfer.... this would be much better then abortion in my opinion, and could bring happyness to others.

I am certian for this to work it would have to be caught EARLY, thus negating the deadline debate, cause there would be a certian date where it just wouldn't work anymore. Also I ain't even sure If our technology is developed enough to remove a child a few weeks old and store it for future "use".

Hmm.. no direct responses yet, but let me elaborate.

If you get pregnet and don't want to give birth, you go to the hospital, if they can still perform the procedure they perform and store the potential child to be in storage, then later if you end up deciding that you actually do want the child you could remove it from storage.

There could be a certian period of time before it becomes available for others to use, such as a couple years or something... if you don't come back after that time... then I seriousaly doubt you would be changing your mind afterwards.

Anyways this is an odd idea that just poofed into my brain.... must have had too much caffine.

[Destai]

Hey dragonflyex, I thought we just came to a conclusion

[ShunNakamura]

I'm sure if it were entirely true...I would remember such as that. There aren't that many radical changes. Vision takes a while...and so do many other things. But the point is...is the baby alive or not? Is it abortion or murder. Even though I have no been the one pregnant...i've been by a lot recently have. I have experienced those babies reactions and all sorts. My little brother who has just turned for...my best friend who had a baby two and half years ago...who got an abortion for the second one...then had a baby a couple weeks ago...they aren't the only ones either I have encountered. There are more.

keep in mind the child does develop in the womb and is highly developed before it leaves(at least compared to what it had been), but the changes it has in the days, weeks, months after birth are extrodinary. There is a reason most people do not remember anything up to a certian point. that is cause in many cases the brain isn't fully connected and complex till several years after birth(about age 3 is when it stops building up teh neural connections if I remember right.) keep in mind this is on average, people do develop slower and faster then this at times.

But yes the nueral connections aren't even close to human complexity when the child is born... but the child has enough nueral connections to make many other animal species look unintelligent, so a new born human is generally smarter then an older, say, dog, even if less experienced, and the child still has much more potential.

[nik0tine]

If instead of an abortion we could just transfer they zygote to a freezer tube, that way a couple who happens to be sterile could have a baby through a form of transfer.... this would be much better then abortion in my opinion, and could bring happyness to others.

I seriously doubt this is possible. If you were to put an already fertalized egg into another woman, what the hell would happen genetically? I am not a biologist, but I am almost certain things would get incredibly SCREWED UP. The child would get an extra dosage of genes or something. The father, the origional mother, and then the new mother who is carrying it. I think things would get out of hand.

[Destai]

Isnt that what they did on friends with phoebe and her brothers triplets?

[ShunNakamura]

I seriously doubt this is possible. If you were to put an already fertalized egg into another woman, what the hell would happen genetically? I am not a biologist, but I am almost certain things would get incredibly SCREWED UP. The child would get an extra dosage of genes or something. The father, the origional mother, and then the new mother who is carrying it. I think things would get out of hand.

As I said it was WEIRD/odd idea I had at the moment... but if it was possible it would be quite nice.

anyways I know you can fertilize and egg and then transfer it to another person.. but I do not know if you can take a developing zygote and transfer... who knows what weird crap you could get... But we are consistently making progress into these sort of fields.

[nik0tine]

Totally off topic here, but I have had a smilar wierd idea to this. I have always wondered what would happen if you could manage to get oneself pregnant. I know it's impossible, but if you managed to use the EXACT same genes that the mother had for both the sperm and the egg, what would happen? Would it be a carbon copy of the mother?

[Destai]

Wouldnt it increase chances of disability as thats more likely when the parents are related?

[ShunNakamura]

Totally off topic here, but I have had a smilar wierd idea to this. I have always wondered what would happen if you could manage to get oneself pregnant. I know it's impossible, but if you managed to use the EXACT same genes that the mother had for both the sperm and the egg, what would happen? Would it be a carbon copy of the mother?

I think that would work like a clone... same genes, same apperence... but may have different personality.

That is what a clone is afterall... a child with only one set of genes.. so it would make sense that if you got yourself pregnant that it would just be a clone... But that is quite the question... were you thinking of trying it?

[udsuna]

Nik0tine... actually, the transplantation of embryos has been being performed for over a decade now... on humans, FYI. It's preferable to use a relative to the mother, but not necessary. Surrogate mothers are the layman's term. A fertilized egg of a man and a woman, where the woman herself can't carry the child (several possible disorders), can implant a fertalized egg into another woman, who can carry to full.

Your surrogate needs not even be the same race as the couple, or for that matter, capable of conception herself (as in, past menopause). Generally, that doesn't happen, though. Oh, and as for genes, the only does the child gets is the parent's... no others. Maybe mitochondrial DNA will get affected, but that's not important at all. The mother's own body acts to protect the fetus from interference, which is why mothers with AIDS rarely transfer the disease to their children... until after birth, where blood from the birth can be infected, or breast milk (which will be infected) are exposed to the child.

And "self fertilization" happens all the time in other species. They are not (usually) clones. Worms and such can do it, at least. The genetic code is *very* similar to the parent, but usually viable. In humans and other complex organisms, it would (presumably) have the same effect as a disturbing level of inbreeding. Any advanced highschool biology course should teach you this much.

[Destai]

I knew it! "FRIENDS" is never wrong!

[DragonflyLex]

LOL!!!

[ShunNakamura]

A clone is when you only have one parents DNA right? the clone then grows like a normal child.. but just happens to have ... oh shoot nevermind.. I forgot that in this fertalization that you would have to calculate in the Dominate and Recessive genes, meaning that you could have something clone-like, or something different with higher rate of disease... shoot should have thought more on it before posting.

oh well, at least I didn't keep arguing the lost cause.