Attention all soldiers

[DocFrance]

The first post makes me extremely happy and proud to serve. Thank you.

The rest of this thread is just petty internet bickering. Sad, really.

[DarkLadyNyara]

Most of this thread disgusts me, so I will only say "thank you" to Ultima Limit, for your expression of gratitude. That is what the thread was originally started for, anyway. It's good to know there are still people who show appreciation instead of idiocy. So again, thanks. ^^

Thank you for reminding us what this thread was supposed to be. Sorry for my part in the idiocy.

[DMKA]

Most of this thread disgusts me, so I will only say "thank you" to Ultima Limit, for your expression of gratitude. That is what the thread was originally started for, anyway. It's good to know there are still people who show appreciation instead of idiocy. So again, thanks. ^^

What's idiocy in this thread and what's not is a matter of opinion. ^^

[Shadow Nexus]

What's idiocy in this thread and what's not is a matter of opinion. ^^

Idem.

[CloudSquallandZidane]

You all act like this is Vietnam and soldiers are faced with these choices everyday. It's not! The odds of an order like that coming down is like, once in a lifetime. I have never had an order I even had to think twice about, and thats not saying I follow blindly. When it comes time to shoot, you shoot. There's no official order needed. Early this morning I was on motor pool gaurd. A mortar round came down in the motor pool across the street and hit a tank. It caught on fire and the rounds inside it started to cook off. Did I need any order to do anything? NO, you already know what to do and you instantly react to any given situation. The ROE and such stuff is there so you know what to do when the situation comes up. When it's there, no official leadership is telling everyone what to do. Where not video game characters that just stand there and wait to get told anything. The leadership is there to make sure we do the right thing and not break the rules.

Well i guess its because im Air Force, we are going to recieve a different system of instruction. Theres not gonna be any "Oh sh*+ act!", Decisions for me. And ur right i dont expect to recieve any of those kind of orders, but those soldiers at the Iraqi prison did, or do u think it was just something to do for them.

Ur definition of leadership is hazy though, leadership is there to LEAD, to tell someone when they dont know which way to jump or how high, making sure someone doesnt break the rules is just another part of leading.

[DarkLadyNyara]

What's idiocy in this thread and what's not is a matter of opinion.

The thread was created to show appriciation for our soldiers and instead turned into a political debate. That's what was meant by idiocy.

[Skogs]

The first post makes me extremely happy and proud to serve. Thank you.

The rest of this thread is just petty internet bickering. Sad, really.

If you think that discussing the moral implications of conflict is petty bickering, then what on earth are you fighting for?

[DocFrance]

I consider most "discussions" on the internet to be petty bickering. It's amazing how much they differ from real-life discussions. Kinda like that RvB clip of "The Internet vs. Real Life."

Real Life:
"...and that's just the way I feel about that."
"Well, I don't agree, but I respect your opinion."

Internet:
"You deserve to die! You go to hell and you die!"
"Oh yeah? Well, I hope you get raped! Twice! Maybe then you'll feel different!"

[ShunNakamura]

Well actually this is more civilized then many discusions about controversal topics then I have had many times in real life... in rl the occasion person will try to bring fists into the discussion :rolleyes2

Doesn't help any.. .but... they do do it. not to mention yelling, or calling names... this was actually quite civilized even if it was brought off topic, and turned into an argument.

[DMKA]

The thread was created to show appriciation for our soldiers and instead turned into a political debate. That's what was meant by idiocy.

But supporting soldiers in and of itself is a political debate.

[Skogs]

Yep. This is a forum, not a fan club. If you express a view, then expect those who don't agree with you to say so.

[Sasquatch]

There's a difference in supporting soldiers and supporting the war--after Vietnam, too many people that hated the war took it out on the soldiers that had nothing to do with the politics of it. The thread was made to express respect and gratitude towards soldiers--which isn't a political issue--and not discuss the validity of the war, which is.

Not to mention, this thread wasn't directed at anybody except soldiers, and possibly other people who want to thank soldiers as well. If you didn't agree with the concept, you didn't even have to come in here, and nothing is being helped by people talking about how soldiers haven't done anything for them, and other assorted crocks of the like.

[ShunNakamura]

I do not wish for soldiers to die.. but I will not wish luck or thanks on a "mission" I do not believe in.. So instead I'll wish you all a safe return to home.

Basically though.. the government can draft me if they like, but If I don't believe in the cause.. then I won't lift my arms. Simple enough... I do what I beleive is right.. and no one will change that.

All I did at first was wish luck, and just say that I don't believe in the war's righteousness.

Once again I will say.. Be safe all. And I ain't just talking to the soldiers here.

[Shadow Nexus]

There's a difference in supporting soldiers and supporting the war--after Vietnam, too many people that hated the war took it out on the soldiers that had nothing to do with the politics of it. The thread was made to express respect and gratitude towards soldiers--which isn't a political issue--and not discuss the validity of the war, which is.

Not to mention, this thread wasn't directed at anybody except soldiers, and possibly other people who want to thank soldiers as well. If you didn't agree with the concept, you didn't even have to come in here, and nothing is being helped by people talking about how soldiers haven't done anything for them, and other assorted crocks of the like.

Wait, I think the World Events forum is meant to be used for discussion, if not, it wouldn't be a forum, as Skogs said. See, if you put a post in this forum, you must assume debate around it, not just for people to nod and give you a nice applause. If you want to thank the soldiers, well that's fine too, but a debate forum is for debating, so don't get pissed if things get debated. There are many other ways of thanking the soldiers through EoFF. Your sig, for example.