What the hell is a cakewalk?
What the hell is a cakewalk?
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"Cakewalk" means something that is extremely easy. In this instance, it's referring to prisons that aren't really "punishment", just "detainment".
No, the point isn't that they're locked away from society, the point is that they don't go back into society and do the same things they did to get tossed in jail in the first place. Rehabilitation, so to speak. If prisons are hard, if prisons are made to be a place where people don't like to be, then crime wouldn't be as high. What is it, 70, 80 percent of crimes are committed by people that are repeat offenders? So if they would have actually been punished the first time, they wouldn't think to do it again.
Prisons need to be a place where people go, get out, and when they're back on the streets they think "Hell no I'm not doing that, I'm not going back to prison, I'll keep my life clean."
Well, I'm not familiar with Yankspeak."Cakewalk" means something that is extremely easy. In this instance, it's referring to prisons that aren't really "punishment", just "detainment".
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Sasquatch you and I are on aggreement here.
I was reading up on some of the earlier prisons in my Western Civ Class.. and well they would definately be "cruel and unusual" to most people's view... but wait, the book definately said thatcrime went down after the installation of these prisons, and when the prisons become more "humane" crime went back up.... I wonder if there is a connection?
Oh well... I guess some people are wrongly jailed and that could possibly be a real pain then.. but hopefully with our technology ever improving such errors will become less and less... although I am certian people will still allude the police on occasion.
STILL Updating the anime list. . . I didn't think I was that much of an anime freak! I don't even want to consider updating the manga list!
The moment you infringe on the laws that give you rights is the moment that the laws no longer protect those rights, and you willingly give them up.
Hearing from one guy that prison is easy... I did a report on this in government class, and interviewed at least fifteen (or something like that) of various degrees of security prisons (maximum, minimum, etc), they all told me similar stories and most told me anyone who says its easy is either crazy or lying. Every one of them said it was difficult, violent, and nothing they'd ever want to do again.
That does not, however, keep people from doing crimes. If they're going to be criminals, no threat of punishment will stop them. If it did, countries with public executions wouldnt have crime at all.
Talk to fifteen high schoolers, and ask them if they think high school is easy. Then in a couple years look back and see if high school really was that difficult.
Of course everything seems harder while you're going through it. That would apply to relationships (or lack thereof), prison, school, training, etc. Looking back on Basic Training, it was harder than hell to go through, but I could definitely do it again. And probably be better going through it. And the people I know that had gone to and been out of prison, they said it was nothing. Even the two people I knew that were in prison when I last heard from 'em, they said it was pretty easy.
Even if it's nothing they'd ever want to do again...it must not be enough of a deterrent if they keep doing stuff that'll get 'em sent back.
And countries with public executions and extremely strict, even abusive, prisons...they don't have much for crime.
I talked to people at various degrees. People who were in jail at the time (yes, not only people I knew in jail, I went down and spoke with the head honchos at the prison about interviewing a prisoner at random), people who had been out a year or thereabouts, people who had been out for many years, people who had been out for 20 years. This isnt high school. This isnt basic training. This is prison. It's different. You can say whatever you want, but I've done the research.
They dont have much for crime but they still have crime.
Obviously, you'll always have crime, because you'll always have people that think the benefits of getting away with it are greater than the chances of getting caught. But in the areas where they have serious prisons, there aren't nearly as many repeat offenders as there are in America. Because American prisons are a joke.
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
i agree with you there. American prisons are a subdued compared to other countries, but that dont mean they are a joke. Have you even been to prison. I know harden criminals that dont want to go back to prison. Prisons will never deter crime. i dont care if its the toughest place in the world. hell, jails in america used to be worst, and it did nothing to deter crime. The reasons that there is so many repeat offenders is because of the system we have in place.
When a prisoner gets outta jail, they are start from nothing. Then when they got to look for a job, they have to put down that they've been to jail and you know honestly that no one will hire you or wants to hire an ex convict even if you've changed. And the only jobs they can get are of the mc donalds variety. So that leaves them with no real way to take care of themselves. So what do alot of them do. They return to the same life they lived before. Our system is flawed. its not really rehabiltaing anyone. its not helping the people that get outta jail secure good ways to be productive with their lives. now maybe a minm. security prison might be a little more lax, but there is nothing like a max security penatentry. 23 hour lock up. suclusion, even if you make it outta a place like that alive, you will never be the same. You got to be crazy to think that something liek that is a cake walk. im not even gonna mention some of the things that go on in jails and prisons.
The problem with american prisons is that they don't try to heal the inmates.
They pretty much just oppress them for a set amount of time
and then hope they will be scared enough not to commit further crimes.
Almost all places with 'serious' prisons dont have repeat offenders because the offenders are never released. They're either killed or kept in jail for life for minor violations.
And bravo, AkiraMakie. What you said was very true. It's a sadly vicious cycle.
Exactly. There is no rehabilitation in this country. America has the worlds highest incarceration rate. Does that make us any safer? I don't think so.The problem with american prisons is that they don't try to heal the inmates.
Sorry, I didn't realize it was everybody else's responsibility to make sure convicts got jobs.
The prisons system isn't obligated to find them jobs, or help them when they get out. What they're supposed to do is make prison a place nobody wants to go to, an actual punishment, and then there would be less repeat offenders. This ain't too difficult to figure out, people. Just like ShunNakamura said, stricter, more harsh prisons may be looked down upon, but they work. They're extremely effective, and history proves that. Look at "Tent City"...can't remember what county it's in, but I think it's in AZ?
The problem with criminals isn't that they can't find jobs. It's that they're not afraid of doing what they did to get into prison in the first place. And if they're not afraid of going back to prison--if they're not afraid to the point that they would never want to even get a parking ticket--then the prison system isn't doing it's job.
By the way...not every criminal is only stealing so he can feed his family, you know. In fact, all of them have some alternative, even if that's their excuse.
prison doesn't work, most people who are sent to jail end up back in jail within a year. that's a fact. it fails to prevent crime, to deter crime and to prevent re-offending. prison doesn't work. this isn't because it's not hard enough it's because the system makes no sense. you take some 16 year old junkie who broke into some guys house to feed his drug habit, that isn't something that needs the almighty hand of law to crush the kid it requires him to be re-taught and brought back into the normal community. what happens if you don't? then he goes to jail for a year, doesn't kick his habit because the amount of drugs in prison, learns some new tricks from his cell mates. gets back out poorer and worse off than he was before, so what is this kid gonna do? go out get a job and become a worthwhile member of society? no he's gonna start theiving again isn't he? but give him a real education a new start, pride and help and he could become a good member of society.
all men have the capability to be good it's just a matter of bringing that out not punishing the bad.
and if we were to make human rights void in prison what happens to wronlgy convicted people? that isn't a rare occurance. ask yourself one question if you were convicted of something you didn't do and spent a year in the conditions you talk about would you just shrug it off?
human rights apply to all humans. they aren't called "human rights for people that we find acceptable" or "human rights for people that we suspect did something bad" they are for all people, because you know what would get rid of all the theives, murders and rapists? auschwitz.
before you quote levicticus at me and "an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth" there are two quotes that need to remember in this world one is from ghandi "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" and one from jesus "may the one without sin throw the first stone"
and for sasquatch tent city does not have a significatly lower reoffending rate than any other jail and as far as stats in the matter go is average. it is not a success.
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