DONT BE FOOLED!!!! I've beaten the first and third suikodens and they were amazing....the fourth however...IS PROBABLY MY FAV. SO FAR!! Dont let those pepole disslodge your mind with foolish rants...its worth it..definatly..awsome "ocean" theme (which is why i like it so much)....storys ok so far (im playing it at the moment) i can see why pepole would bad mouth it..but its got ALOT of good stuff too...brings back sum things from the first one too...its fun..get it...definatly you wont be dissapointed (but if you are then feel free to stab me in the back with a carrot and throw me into an ice cold river)