If the US wants to avoid agitating China and creating more tension , then it should just stay out of the whole Taiwanese affair and concentrate on cleaning up it's act on the domestic front.
If the US wants to avoid agitating China and creating more tension , then it should just stay out of the whole Taiwanese affair and concentrate on cleaning up it's act on the domestic front.
The problem is, that's impossible. No single country, any country, is the issue or the threat here. True, the US has it's flaws, and is making considerable mistakes, but the same can be said of just about every nation (with the possible exception of Iceland).
The true problem is ignorance. Is the failure of people to see eye to eye, to even acknowlege one another as human beings. We're calling everyone Chinese or American or Afgani or Israeli. We should be calling one another "brother".
If you want to start this, I'm with you, and I can tell you how to do it.
1. Take Stock of Resources. We have the strongest tool right here and now: people who care. Plus, we have access to the most powerful method of combating ignorance: the information super-highway.
2. Using Resources. This, harder... volunteer help is hard to come by. Need a name, feel free to suggest. Need a support... which is REALLY easy, just setting up an internet forum board like this one would be about half the battle. I've done PR work on several occasions, it's not hard, if someone can do the HTML stuff for me. Not to mention language support.
3. Expanding Base The hard part. If this is to be international, it needs international spread. This forum board would be a good place to start, as would anything else. People who are intelligent, articulate, and as multi-lingual as possible... collecting propoganda from every country, to show how rediculous they all are... and so forth.
4. Networking And doing it smart. There are multiple organizations that are assets that could be invaluable. My priority would be "Doctors Without Borders". They're the largest, most respected, international humanitarian/charity organization.
5. Time Because, something like this, will take decades to reverse anything. The trick is operating fast enough, well enough, soon enough, to slow down the escalating tensions. Buying the time, the breathing room, to do long term good.
Everything else, just details. And patience. And more details. And more patience. And a lot of hard work.
Last edited by udsuna; 04-07-2005 at 06:20 PM.
Too right. The biggest mistake would be to blame everything on one country, for instance America, who usually cop all the flak. However, each country tries to say that everything is someone else's fault. It's a convenient way of dehumanising and villainising your enemy in the eyes of your people.Originally Posted by udsuna
Agreed, again.The true problem is ignorance. Is the failure of people to see eye to eye, to even acknowlege one another as human beings. We're calling everyone Chinese or American or Afgani or Israeli. We should be calling one another "brother".
Count me in. I won't repeat everything I said in that PM, but I'm keen.If you want to start this, I'm with you, and I can tell you how to do it.
1. Take Stock of Resources. We have the strongest tool right here and now: people who care. Plus, we have access to the most powerful method of combating ignorance: the information super-highway.
2. Using Resources. This, harder... volunteer help is hard to come by. Need a name, feel free to suggest. Need a support... which is REALLY easy, just setting up an internet forum board like this one would be about half the battle. I've done PR work on several occasions, it's not hard, if someone can do the HTML stuff for me. Not to mention language support.
3. Expanding Base The hard part. If this is to be international, it needs international spread. This forum board would be a good place to start, as would anything else. People who are intelligent, articulate, and as multi-lingual as possible... collecting propoganda from every country, to show how rediculous they all are... and so forth.
4. Networking And doing it smart. There are multiple organizations that are assets that could be invaluable. My priority would be "Doctors Without Borders". They're the largest, most respected, international humanitarian/charity organization.
5. Time Because, something like this, will take decades to reverse anything. The trick is operating fast enough, well enough, soon enough, to slow down the escalating tensions. Buying the time, the breathing room, to do long term good.
Everything else, just details. And patience. And more details. And more patience. And a lot of hard work.
... And how am I to respond to such a good post?
We love ya', ud.
Anyone else in? The more the merrier.
yeh war is evil and there is no need for it but if war does happen it'll be people who make the weapons and stuff that will try and make it happen since they are the people who the most money hungry and if war does happen it probably will end up being China V USA however talk will happen first and M.A.D will be in place and everything but if USA does decide to go to war against China then i think USA will lose if they fight them in 20-35 years time since China i gaining speed in gettin up to date with everything
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A truly wonderful post you've made ud. If you don't mind too much, I'll just add my thoughts in, starting with something I posted a while back:
"One of the great tragedies of our time, in my mind, is what has happened to the youth of the world, in that, they feel they must grow up so quickly now and must succeed at all costs or be a complete and utter failure in the world. Pressures from parents, from schools, from society itself to boost every single child to be the best they can be from square one is indeed a noble cause, but in many cases, is rooted in overall unrealistic beliefs. I'm amazed, to be frank, that in my community schools system, standardized tests are now being given to children in 1st grade, a time period when many children are still learning about their own identity and growing.
I've never, EVER been a believer that in order to educate, there must be MORE pressure placed on students. Rather, the education each student gets should be what is important: the ability to convey multiple perspectives, various ways to solve problems, patience, the ability to listen, communicate and the like. Sure, we all need to learn the ABC's and times tables, but shouldn't we also be learning how to be tolerant and compassionate of others and not simply write people off based upon differences, or how quickly they can multiply? Instead of learning how to color in the lines, why not learn how to share those crayons? I firmly believe that if education was really about teaching people about themselves, about humanity, and not just about "things" or concepts that need to be tested to garner federal funding, many, many more children would succeed and come to enjoy school, not loathe it or begin to feel alientated by it.
Overall, though, the most important thing that I wish I could tell every single person is that YOU already are someone, you are a person, someone with ideas, capable of whatever YOU want to achieve. The pressures to get straight A's and the like, in my opinion deeply pale in comparison to becoming a person who accepts others and can accept themselves, can love themselves and find a way to love life, despite all the obstacles that may indeed come about.
Growing up should not be something to be feared or something to cheer, but just another step in the long journey of life. With age usually comes added responsibility, sure, but hand in hand with that, age also can bring the ability to create change and perhaps, display the education you have, or what you believe in. Getting older is just something that happens, but it shouldn't make you enjoy life any more or any less, if anything, it should hopefully make you more aware that you are alive, but not that your life suddenly has any added pressure.
The only person you can and will ever be is yourself, the person you already are. Part of growing up means you become more and more aware of who you are, and hopefully, when you do reach adulthood you have at least come to a basic understanding of who you are. That being said, no matter who you are, the possibilities and opportunities are endless, so long as you see them and put your best effort forth. Don't worry about the pressure of success, that will come with time if you approach it correctly. Instead, love yourself for who you are, come to understand your strengths and weaknesses, come to embrace other people for theirs, and come to see that life should not be an obstacle itself, but something that gives you the chance to overcome obstacles and move forward and ever upward."
What I'm getting at, is the essential importance of education. For everything that we hope for, for everything you posted to work, what is needed is people who believe in tolerance and peace, who have come to understand and see the world by seeing multiple perspectives, by learning to work with others, by learning how to work together and not apart. Even if by chance our generation begins this great work, others must follow our lead to continue it, to always make it better and progress toward helping even more people. So, I believe that if the education system that so many of the youths of the world are in today is changed to focus more on learning tolerance and preaching the power of listening, of thinking, of working together instead of just skills to pass a test, that the ability to put into practice what those who come before have created will be that much greater.
We can all aspire for a world beyond our wildest dreams, but if we only reach forward and never leave something behind for those who come after, we are dooming ourselves to failure when our time has come to pass.
In the end, I will stand, as others have already stated, with those who want to change the world for the better and I will do whatever it is I can to promote these beliefs and continue our steady progression toward a better world.
Best of luck to all in the greater causes of the world, whether it's educating yourself, a friend, a classroom full of kids, helping to feed your family, the poor, curing a disease, healing the sick, or searching for answers to the questions we all do have. Together, we can make a difference, one that will rock the very foundation of society.
Take care all.
It truly is marvelous to hear that people actually want to do something. You don't realize how much it would mean to me if we could actually get this to work. (Or even just TRY to get it to work!). So, from the very bottom of my heart, I thank you all!
Most money hungry and most weapons manufactured sounds like the US to me Kyuzo >_> Why else would manufactured goods mostly be overseas? Most profit margins will be done in the United States and the lower profit margins(like flag making or toy making) go elsewhere. Plus its cheap labor.
Well if people are actually going to go through with this, why not? @_@
Count me in.
Lady Fidela of Confide (Amy)
Every insane moment has the sanity: Thankfully the Lady is THAT sanity
An important note to keep in mind, there will always be great resistance to change, even change that does indeed benefit the world at large because more often than not, mass change means those who have power will not remain in power and thus will use every bit of force they have to keep any potential revolutions or changes from happening. Yet, if a solid, true foundation is made, where people band together and aspire to help one another when the going does get tough, nothing can deter or stop it.
Take care all.
That's an interesting point... but my idea isn't to challenge the standing institutions, that's for the people of individual nations to decide, not me. I just think the goal should be creating an environment that's only function is to promote inter-cultural exchange.
The internet actually does that, seemingly, naturally. I just figure on taking it to the next functional level. This forum board is a prime example of what I want to see. Lead by example... Captain, you're a prime example in and of yourself... no one could call you a stereotypical anything of any race or country.
But, an open multi-cultural dialogue that has nothing to do with politics or economics... THAT is my dream.
Sorry if it seemed like I was putting words in your mouth good sir.
In the end, you're entirely correct about the internet. Essentially, because we have to communicate chiefly through words, a great deal of the hatred, oppression and forces that might come into play are pushed aside and what we're left is just the words and the meaning behind them which are easier to talk about, figure out and ultimately come to an understanding about than actions can be in many circumstances.
I'd say what you have in mind can certainly succeed.
Take care all.
No problem, it didn't seem that way at all. And I'm not going to be the only person in on this, so I'd take the suggestions of everyone. I'm a planner, not a leader, and I want the imput to decide what goals are most important to the participants.
I like China!
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