Locke (VI) good speed, stealing, can equip good weapons
Fighter (I) the best all around fighting machine ever
Butz (V) as a Samurai has great evade, strong weapons, and coin toss
FuSoYa (IV) covers magic pretty well I'd say
Locke (VI) good speed, stealing, can equip good weapons
Fighter (I) the best all around fighting machine ever
Butz (V) as a Samurai has great evade, strong weapons, and coin toss
FuSoYa (IV) covers magic pretty well I'd say
The problem with that first condition is that it unfairly shifts the balance intentionally created in certain games. Some characters, perhaps weaker in other areas, are effective precisely because they can use superior equipment. While balancing is certainly necessary (that "materia suggestion" was only really made to point out that there was an extant loophole. I had assumed you had made the original materia suggestion to prevent use of KotR or some sadistic 40-strike Counter set-up), eliminating all mention of equipment really makes the question "what characters would be most effective under the conditions of a specific challenge game scenario?".Originally Posted by RedCydranth
I realize that you're trying to balance the games. Unfortunately, there is no way to do so fairly. At some point, the restrictions placed on characters from certain games become too severe. However, if said restrictions aren't made, then those limited characters become too powerful once again.
Name one.The problem with that first condition is that it unfairly shifts the balance intentionally created in certain games. Some characters, perhaps weaker in other areas, are effective precisely because they can use superior equipment.
Right, which if you have an OPEN mind and not think game to game they can be all in one pool of characters. Harvest Moon and eestlinc seem to understand what im saying. they have created a party saying why they chose said person and without going into detail of overpowering equipment.I realize that you're trying to balance the games. Unfortunately, there is no way to do so fairly. At some point, the restrictions placed on characters from certain games become too severe. However, if said restrictions aren't made, then those limited characters become too powerful once again.
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Current RPGs: Final Fantasy XII
An example, purely in FFVI terms, would be Celes. Her innate ability, Runic, is one of the weakest, if not the weakest, abilities. However, she can equip items like Illumina, Minerva, and Force Armor, all of which are very useful.
Another example is Mog. In the World of Ruin, he borders on useless unless significantly enhanced by equipment. In WoR, Dance, especially since it is so random (and so many enemies are now immune to the death spells), is of little use. Further, Mog's defensive situation is severely compormised by his innate stats and armor limitations....except that he can be equipped with the Snow Muffler, the best armor in the game in terms of pure defense. However, Mog can be very powerful if equipped with, say, the Aura Lance, Dragoon Boots, and a Dragon Horn. Also, he is the only character who can equip the Moogle Charm, which eliminates random encounters. This could, for example, allow him to act as an individual party in Phoenix Cave or Kefka's Tower. Mog, even more than Celes, is dependent on equipment for viability as a character.
All I'm saying is that true balance cannot be reached unless the characters are translated into the terms of another game. When I created my party, I did so according to my interpretation of the characters after impostition of the original restrictions. The FFVII beyond-maxed-stats party was just so you would close that particular loophole (and you did; thank you). If you would like a 'balanced party' without rare equipment taken into account; I'll stick with:
Orlandu (reason still applies)
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Sage (reason still applies)
I'll change my Thief to Zidane, because of Thievery.
I'll keep Terra, because she retains her most significant qualities in spite of equipment limitations.
Let's do this!
Vivi-gotta have my tank
Yuna-need a healer/summoner
Cecil-need a front line fighter, he's also got some good healing magic(just in case)
Bartz-in his dancer form, good for offense and backup
Probably not the best, but still good, ya know?
The itching sensation is a good thing.
Vivi? a tank?
Please enlighten meX.x;;
4 FF1 DoS Monks.
Ooookay.
1) Faris as a Ninja- Gets the benefits of 2 weapons as a usual FF trait. Can use image, throw, and is WAAAAAYYYY hot.
2)Vivi- Doomsday
3) Sabin- Blitz
4) Gogo- any party needs a mime. Plus, Gogo rocks.
Thanks to Sagensyg for the sig!
Cecil (FFIV) - An effective attacker/healer who can also soak up damage meant to hit ailing party members
Adult Rydia (FFIV) - Summoner for my team, she can also cast high level Black Magic.
Edge (FFIV) - Being able to Steal and Throw make him useful, but I also enjoyed the Ninja Magic and ability to dual-wield swords.
Rosa (FFIV) - Being a proficent White Wizard and Archer, she could safely sit in the back row, doing maximum damage and keeping my party alive with Cure 4 and Wall.
Wow, what do ya know, all from FFIV. Anyway there you go. If there's anything wrong with it, just say so and it will be revised.
Boy am I an unfunny ass.
Hmm my party would be
Auron: He just has so much attack power that he is essential to any party.
Freya: She is a pretty strong attacker as well as having some interesting moves such as Ries Wind
Yuna: Mainly just for her summons and some healing
Garnet: To heal when Yunas summoning and summon when Yunas healing pretty much.
One with the Spirit of a wolf
OK, I'm not a regular poster here, I only had a question on FF X-2, but I'm still gonna answer this, because it's a cool idea.
Rikku (X-2) in Lady Luck dressphere -- If you know what you're doing, Lady Luck can act as healer, basher, and all-around spell-slinger all at once. Plus, Rikku's HAWT.
Wakka (X) -- He's an good all-around fighter with a tendancy for accuracy and status effects. Plus his overdrives can be devastating, if you're careful and a little bit lucky. (I didn't do much beefing and I was easily dealing 9999 damage on a good overdrive, before I got to Mt Gagazret.)
Tifa (VII) -- Good fast attacker, maybe with some helpful materia (like Haste) or something. As an added bonus she has cool limit breaks. (Have you noticed a trend? I like reels...)
Faris (V) as a Red Mage -- Need something to make up for the lack of true healing or magic power; plus Red Magic x2 could come in handy in some situations.
Or, as an alternative:
Fighter (I) -- Just a fighter. Meatshield beatstick painmongerer. Someone to hold a sword and stand in the way of the dragon.
Kihmari (X) -- I know you said they only get their particular section of the grid, but I'm taking a little liberty here. Kihmari is a well-rounded character. He can do blue magic, and is a good damage dealer/taker by nature, and has the potential to not only learn Ultima but also to become almost anything else you may need.
Garnet (IX) -- Gotta have a healer. I picked her mostly because I didn't want to use the same FF games over and over again, hence not Yuna or Aeris, or even a FF5 guy in White Mage mode. Besides, she was pretty cool. Had a hard time remembering her name; main reason was because I never got far in that game; I borrowed the game from a friend and ran it on an emulator (it was a burned backup and I had no mod chip) and it always froze on this certain cutscene -- even when I borrowed it from other friends.
Forgot his name (T), the dark knight -- Dark knights are cool. I just suck with remembering names. I'm talking about the guy that you get, then later have to kill. I forgot the reason though. *sigh* Anways, he's my combat substitute for a black mage.
As you can tell this one leans more towards straight fighting, though half the party is multi-purpose. I like having my parties be fairly generalized, makes it easier when my guys are getting mashed and my mages are running out of MP if someone can step in and help them out.
That would be Gafgarion. He's a mercenary who is under the employ of Dycedarg. After Ramza and company catch up with Delita and Ovelia at Zirekile Falls, Gafgarion's true intentions begin to become clear. His instructions can be seen in this dialogue.
Gafgarion had actually originally been hired to allow the Princess to be kidnapped, while appearing to defend her. Delita, however, was not the intended kidnapper.Hokuten Knight: It's over! Surrender! Turn the Princess over
to us and we'll spare your life!
Delita: That's a bald faced lie! You want to kill her! Then
after that you'll kill me for knowing the truth!
Knight: Ridiculous! We came to help the Princess! Why would we
want to kill her? We can't let Goltana keep her!
Agrias: Princess Ovelia!!
Ovelia: Agrias!!
Knight: Great, here comes a crowd! Gafgarion! Kill them!! And
do it now!!
Gafgarion: Don't know what's going on, but it's in the
contract!
Agrias: Gafgarion, are you betraying us?
Gafgarion: Betraying you? C'mon, this is business. Our job is
to kidnap the Princess 'unharmed'. The job is to kill you all
and keep things quiet!
Agrias: What are you getting at? This kidnapping's a sham?
Gafgarion: The Princess is in the way! The Princess should be
next in line. If she's alive there'll be nothing but trouble!
Gafgarion is beaten back at Zirekile Falls. Delita leaves Ovelia with the party for the time being. She is eventually taken to Lionel, home of Cardinal Draclau.Gafgarion: Speaking of that, who did you order to kidnap
Ovelia? When I was chasing her in Dorter, someone attacked me.
What was that about?
Dycedarg: They found the criminals in the monastery woods-
dead. Someone learned of our plan and is trying to stop us...
Anyhow, as long as Ovelia is with Agrias, there'll be many
chances to get her...
Draclau, however, is in league with Dycedarg. Like virtually everyone in this game, however, he has his own agenda.
Gafgarion sets a trap for Ramza at Golgorand Execution Site, but fails. He tries to take down Ramza another time, at the gates of Lionel; turns out that was a mistake on his part.Draclau: Enough, Rudvich. I'll return Ovelia to Dycedarg as
promised. It was our intention, too. But don't you need to get
rid of those who know about the kidnapping? The thief who
stole the stone is with them. You can catch them all by using
the Princess as bait. 2 birds with one stone.
Gafgarion: Exactly. But what if...?
Draclau: You are being weak.
Gafgarion: 'Careful' is more like it. You've got to be careful
to survive on a battlefield.
Draclau: All right. I'll make sure you're protected. Also,
we'll prepare bait just incase.
Gafgarion: Good. The woman will make perfect bait. I'll get
rid of them. I'm more reliable then him!
Rudvich: How dare you!
Draclau: Fine. I'll leave it to you.
Rudvich: Are you serious?
Draclau: Don't let me down, Gafgarion.
Gafgarion: No problem. I'll even get the stone back!
Wow. You ah... you sure know your Final Fantasy...
Sorry, but you just gave me an image of a stereotype comic-book-guy nerd gamer with that post... You know the fat guy with glasses and food everywhere, who does little other than play videogames.
No offense. Just wasn't expecting that... detailed... of an answer to a question I didn't ask.
Well, other than being a hardcore FF fan, I don't match any of that description, so I suppose I won't take offense.
By the way, it wasn't really all that detailed an answer. Most of the post was supplementary dialogue.
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Cait Sith (FFVII), Vivi (FFIX), Galuf (FFV), Kain (FFIV).
I'd probably end up having Cait Sith as my Healer, Vivi as my blackmage (Obviously), Galuf in Ninja class ('Cause Throw is such a great skill.) and Kain is just... Cool.
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