Now I will admit I did purposely twist your quote, but that is because not all guns are ment to kill. You have tranquilizer guns, you have BB guns(ok they kill small game... but they don't really hurt people much).

Guns in self defense don't have to kill, if I remember right a good shot from a gun to a mans shoulder can sometimes lay them out flat, and or cause enough damage to render their "gun" arm useless... of course I only have a few selelcted readings that allude to the fact that a gun can do that, and I do imagine it is the bigger guns.

Point is though, outlawing guns will only take guns away from law abiding citizens. The ones who break the law will still get them.. and then, well your sticks and stones won't help much against my gun... semi-auto or not. It *MAY* lower the violent crimes. But I imagine they would just find other ways to do thier crimes.

As I said it is the person behind the object, not the object itself, and while I am certian all you understand that... I just like to repeat it to line my thoughts up.

Guns have been invented, we can't deinvent them, even if all guns were destroyed the knowledge neccesary to make one is know easy to obtain.. and even a badly built gun can cause damage. It wouldn't do much good to take it away, and you would be depriving one form of self-defense, Heaven forbid that I ever have to actually use it.


As for the dream part.. I really meant it in a cynical sense... for some reason I don't see people, in general, coming to enough sense to allow such an action done... but I am VERY cynical on human intelligence, we aren't nearly as smart as we think.

It may be possible in many lifetimes for it too come, but for my lifetime, I am positive it is only a dream.. unless a miracle happens.. and even then it doesn't have the largest chance of surviving.

Now... US foreign policy at this time, is utterly awful. A quote just from tonight from me is "Our president is a dickhead"... it caused alot of laughing, not cause I insulted the president... no one in my area truely likes Bush, they think of him as a lesser evil... but because I don't use that language. This is just so you all know I REALLY dislike Bush... he is an idiot when it comes to dealing with other countries, Clinton was much better in that aspect.. and I didn't even like Clinton's policies all that much.

Yes US foreign policy needs changed, we need to get better, renewable fuel sorces, and much, much more. This in my area is becoming more and more widely known.. we are starting to look more for those qualities then others in our canidates. Of course my area is very small, I just hope others are learning.

Poverty is also hard to get rid off... in a capitalistic society it is very difficult to get rid of, If the rich would give up more money to the impovershered we coudl get rid of it, but they like thier money. Even Filanthropists hang onto much of thier money.(BTW i know they help, but they coudl do more.)... so this is another thing I don't think will happen in my lifetime.

I appoligize for bad wording.. .most of my long term comments were meant to be "in my lifetime" comments. That was my bad. And I do apologize for twisting you quote so.. but many people against guns think it would stop all violent crime.... but you can commit violent crime with anything even if it is slightly less effecient. So I hold to the believe that while it may stop some violent crime, it will only hurt overall, since criminals will have guns and the common people won't. Perhaps they should research better tranqs.. and then have tranqs allowed but bullet guns disallowed. That would still allow some ability to defend onself.