this is TOO HARD!!!

[Ultima Shadow]

Firstly to Big D, I STRONGLY disagree with that. What is the point in fighting Nemisis if you're going to Zanmato it in 5 Seconds? The whole reason he's there is for the challenge. It's not a storyline boss, if it was, then if you just wanted to beat it, Zanmato away till your hearts content. This is an optional quest solely made for stat maxing & challenging. If you use Zanmato, you defeat the purpose of the Monster Arena. It'd be like taking a Ducati to the Tour de France.

As always, I agree with this statement. I dearly hope that there won't be any cheap instant-kill attacks in the next FFs. Everyone seems to rely on Zanmato instead of fighting fair. Using Zanmato on Nemesis is like attacking a child with nuclear weapons. It's not fair.

Oh, and while there's strats that makes Penance easy... he can hardly be "the easiest" boss in the game. For example... you CAN'T lose against the first boss as long as you don't try to get killed by it. The most intressting fight, however, was probably the Dark Magus Sisters.

[Old Manus]

I sense this turning into a Zanmato war.

[Cuchulainn]

I like Zanmato, it's power is amazing, I just feel using it on optional bosses defeats the purpose of optional bosses. Stick to the storyline if you don't want a challenge, it's simple.
As for penance, with this strat no one dies, ever, you do'nt need to break HP Limit, it's long winded & slightly boring but it's watertight. There is NO WAY you can't beat it.

"you CAN'T lose against the first boss as long as you don't try to get killed by it"

You could say that about any boss...same goes for Penance.

Anyway I feel we are hijacking this thread somewhat, apologies.

[Fire_Emblem776]

I like Zanmato, it's power is amazing, I just feel using it on optional bosses defeats the purpose of optional bosses. Stick to the storyline if you don't want a challenge, it's simple.

o yea just how many of you people used yojimbo!!!!
do you all know how dificult it is to caluculate his zamato attack!!
i have yet to see it!!
at least with other optional bosses it was worth taking them down
suck as VII emerald weopn ahh teh joy off getting all the master materida alll camoands in 3 materidas!!

[Cuchulainn]

If you grand summon him and pay 1.3 million gil, 50% of the time, you'll get it. Just be good to him, don't pay him anything under 1000 gil unless you need to (the 666 trick) and dont let him die too often.

[Shalashaska]

If you grand summon him and pay 1.3 million gil, 50% of the time, you'll get it. Just be good to him, don't pay him anything under 1000 gil unless you need to (the 666 trick) and dont let him die too often.

Not exactly. Yojimbo has a compatibility rating which ranges from 0-255. The higher this rating is the more he 'likes you' and the easier it is to get him to do more powerful attacks (such as Zanmato).

Assuming that you choose 'To defeat the most powerful of enemies' when you acquire Yojimbo, his starting compatibility is 50 for the N.A version and 128 for International/PAL. What attack he performs (and a few other things) raises or lowers the compatibility number.
Zanmato = +4
Wakazashi All = +3
Wakazashi Single = +1
Kozuka = 0
Daigoro = -1
Dismissing Yojimbo right after you summon him = -3
You let Yojimbo die = -10
You pay Yojimbo 0 gil = -20

There is a lot more to this (like the actual formula for calculating the chance for Zanmato, Yojimbo's motivation which is where payment amounts come in, and fiend's Zanmato resistance level) but these are the basics: the higher you have Yojimbo's compatibility, the less you have to pay him, and the more you will see stronger attacks.

[Cuchulainn]

That is way too complicated. What I did was what I typed & I seen it many times, never worried about all that. So unless people have a different game or I was just lucky, if you do what I did you'll see it too. I chose to 'defeat the most powerful enemies', I forgot to add that.

[Shalashaska]

Of course you can simply pay Yojimbo a lot of money and hope for Zanmato, I just posted the information for anybody that's interested.

I raised my Yojimbo's compatibility to 255 and only have to pay him around 10,000 or so gil (could probably pay a lot less but I just like that number, he actually only recognizes powers of 2) to nearly guarantee Zanmato even against fiends with a high resistence level such as Nemesis or the Dark Aeons. 1 out of 4 times he does it for free.

[Fire_Emblem776]

That is way too complicated. What I did was what I typed & I seen it many times, never worried about all that. So unless people have a different game or I was just lucky, if you do what I did you'll see it too. I chose to 'defeat the most powerful enemies', I forgot to add that.

um yea you all lost me with the yojimbo formula
i picked to train as a summoner..

[rubah]

Of course there are two different formulas for the US and International versions.

Let's just say it's a lot easier for you PAL folks to see zanmoto.

Mostly I've seen it in mushroom rock road getting rid of fiends I didn't need for capturing;P

[Fire_Emblem776]

and how many of you were sucessfull in using zamato?
oh god.. i reallty want to see it now.
with all the hype about that guy..

nemis is a #$%^&
its not worth it!!

[KuRt]

after capturing all the monsters of spria and unloking nemisis

he is impossible!!! and i thought the emeald weapon was a nightmae!!!

he does 99999 damage to all with ultime!!

my lulu can do mear 1000s with ulitma and the union knight!!

who has beaten that thing!!

and some pointers how to kill that thing?
please?

Yes, he does 99,999 dmg everytime you use overdrives. so use only aeons´ overdrives

[Gwelenguchenkus]

Nemesis was a lot easier after I cleared everyone's grids, refilled them, and maxed out everyone's stats by filling them up with +4 spheres and all that junk. I followed a FAQ at gamefaqs religiously. When I first saw Yuna swing ehr staff at the final boss doing 99,999 needless to say I was horrified.