what has been documented as being going on in cuba, what is in the us "torture manuals" is torture. that's plain fact, it's defined very simply in geneva, un human rights, eu human rights, the red cross and red crescent statements. what has been documented and been snactioned by the us government is torture that's not even up for debate. just because the us government changes it's own laws does not change that fact.

shooting a man in a van which you suspect has a bomb without prior warning is illegal yes. you can't prove he has a bomb unless you see it, otherwise he's a man in van whihc you suspect has a bomb. it may or may not have a bomb in it. you could have all the intellgence in the world but until you see that bomb he is a man suspected of having a bomb. iraq qas suspected of cupporting al qaeda, of having wmd, tora bora was suspected have housing huge bunkers where al-qaeda lived, many people have been in cuba with intelligence. is that the information with which you would kill this man you suspect? you can't go round shooting suspects can you? because we aren't talking about a man in a van with a bomb, we are talking about a suspected man. killing him without warning is therefore illegal.

are we really saying here that "you're not american so you don't have the same rights because of where you live" isn't that a tad ridicolus? what happened to all men are born equal?

and as of this girl. are we to arrest everyone with a certain view? round up all the communists while we are at it? am i to be arrested for my views as well? it becomes a very very tricky area when you arrest someone for their views doesn't it? don't be so stupid as be doomed to repeat history here. i'm not even going to put in the reference to nazi germany because frankly it's so obvious here it's not necessary.