but you cannot say you know. i will always go back to moazzam begg. the US said they knew he was an active al-qaeda memeber and a highly dangerous man, and they tortured him then let him go. sitting him in front of a kangaroo court changes nothing. you were sure then so making sure you are sure now makes no difference to that. sitting in front of a judge in a kangaroo court changes very little.

and torture acheives nothing, look at sandy mitchell, sentences to crucifiction and partial beheading in saudi arabia for a crime that he was tortured into confessing to. so an innocent man will plead guilty. and the guilty man... will tell you anything so long as it isn't the truth "so you say the bomb is washington, good glad to get that out of you, lets head to washington. boom goes new york, las vegas, disney land, somewhere else that isn't washington. torture supposedly works because people will say anything to make it stop. that's the problem, an innocent man will plead guilty and the guilty man will plead guilty to a different crime. it saves noone.