PM coming your way...laterz on this whole "quagmire" of a dilly.
PM coming your way...laterz on this whole "quagmire" of a dilly.
Are people completely ignoring the fact that TT and Sepho are part of the Committee, and that I never said that I wouldn't agree to more newer members being added, as long as they were over 8-months old? I think this whole disagreement comes from people blowing what I've said completely out of proportion.
The 8 month rule was made and agreed on for a reason. You may be enthusiastic and all, but you cannot possibly have the ability to add anything to the discussion of anything older than 8 months(far less in Boris's case) - which is the majority of EoFF history. Which is why even ed agrees that there should be more older members, though some active newer ones would be acceptable - which is <i>all</i> I've been saying. However, that has to be some cut off which makes a member, no matter how active, "too new" to be of much help - which is why Proto and I came up with and agreed to the 8-month rule.
I could easily argue to have all oldbies - and I mean true oldbies. There's this misguided notion going around that if you registered before '02 you're an oldbie. But the same argument against newbies could be made against them, in a lesser degree. However, I do realize the value of new perceptions, and a member who was a newbie during the time that Britt was an admin would have a different perception of that period than I did, for example.
It's a reasonable assumption that the HoF Committee will predominately discuss people and situations from beyond 8 months ago, and that therefore anyone who hadn't even registered then wouldn't be able to add much. Hence, the 8-month rule.
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I have to agree with Raistlin. Would any newbie even know where the above quote would have originated from?Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
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And if Leeza and I agree about something, then you know we either must be right, or we were just transfered into some twisted alternate dimension where Leeza and I always agree.
OOC: chaos: Yes, I like it somewhat. It is pretty much perfectly true that Mwu la Fraga survived and is Neo, the masked man. His helmet floating in space was edited out in special edition. The three pilots I understand better now, thanks to episode 25, although it was a bit gory. Sting is the only one who is actually under control though. Stellar is completely insane, and Auel can't stand it when someone says "mother". Even though Heine is TM Revolution, she should've been given more time. His death was pretty pathetic if you ask me, but it did make Athrun question if ArcAngel's interferances are for better or for worse.
Rubedo: Sadly, according to many blogs, and even some official reports, Cagalli is getting killed off on Episode 28. Meyrin being destroyed in ep. 32, when she tries to fight by sneaking into the Gaia.
chaos: I really don't want Mwu to die. (Again)
Albedo: *Doesn't remember hearing about Eight Month Rule*
Trowa: *Agrees with Raist, Leeza, Proto* It's only for the better, as newbies have limited knowledge of who is worthy of being in the hall of fame.
Perhaps we should have had all this sorted out before electing members and all that jazz.
Maybe we should focus more on how many members are going to be on the committee, and when nominating and all that begins.
I completely agree. In fact, I thought we had figured it all out - we'd already agreed on the 8 month rule and such.
There's no final number, but I'd say the volunteering-time is over. I just PMed Proto about two last considerations.Maybe we should focus more on how many members are going to be on the committee, and when nominating and all that begins.
I have no idea who Britt is honestly but I know the quote is referring to the EOFF Sniper.Would any newbie even know where the above quote would have originated from?
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I'm in the same boat. The only things I know about Britt are the stuff I've heard from #eoff stories. I haven't been incredibly active since I registered in January of 2003; in fact, save a handful of posts early that year, my real posting period began during the later part of last year. I'll stay on because I believe I can offer a different perspective to things, and I have a few ideas in mind for the committee (which I still haven't had time to sit down and elaborate on - I have a few papers to worry about still), but if I come to the realization after a few member nominations that I don't recognize any of the names, you may have to kick me off.
so who is in so far. have you guys got any of the people worked out.
damn, i've been absent for a week and i would've liked to volunteer for something like this. if you guys would make an exception i'd be happy to sleep with jojo (dont tell psy)
Peace out and :rock:
Some people seemed to have joined the chant of "go newbies go newbies!" while concentrating solely on the join date. I'd like to clarify my(and, I believe, Proto's) position on this:
Join date is just another factor. <i>Nobody</i> was accepted based on join date, which is why I absolutely will not approve of anyone just to make the join dates more diverse. That is absurd.
I judge based on a number of things - who that person is, how active they've been, how well they seem to know things, how they debate, how long they've been around, etc. - "how long they've been around" be just one among many factors. Some of these I don't know about certain members, which is why I directly asked certain people that I do know who would benefit the Committee - Daniel and Jojo, specifically. I've asked no one else, though I was the one to suggest to Proto that ed be on the small selecting team, because I had the apparently misguided notion that he would use some level of logic.
Having been around longer means having the greater potential to know more things that would benefit the Committee during the nomination committee - saying that an earlier join date is not a benefit is absurd. However, it is not the sole basis I, personally, use when considering members. Trumpet Thief, for example, hasn't been around very long, but has been incredibly active and earned himself an RM status - which is why I immediatelly approved of TT to be on this Committee, despite his relative newbieness.
I find it ironic that the very people accusing me of judging solely by join date are doing that very thing themselves.
Sepho - you're not expected to know everything. Hell, I've been gone from EoFF for months at a time, so there will be gaps where I don't know much, either. However, the Committee as a whole hopes to fill in those gaps using the combined resources of all the Committee members. You may not know who Britt is, but Britt's not going to be nominated(at least, I sure hope not).
ee - You'll have to wait for the final word from Proto on this, but I think we have enough.
>o *prods Psy and ed in the arse* Don't boo me, mofos. (what's a mofo?) Anyway I have original perspective..! Or such
I <3 Britt. ^_^
And I do think that boris (and Azar? I don't know you as well xD) would make a good committee member, but the being too new thing makes sense. Next year or whenever new applications are accepted, I'll put in a good word for ya :<3: ?
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I certainly understand where you're coming from, and I did even before that post (but I see the other side as well; it's the fence sitter in me). I'm not of the mind that "you're all of a bunch of elitist oldbie bastards, and I'll have no part of this". I'm just saying that if I come to the realization that I can't offer any meaningful input, I'll let myself be replaced. I still have ideas running through my head, too. Hopefully this weekend I can throw them out there.
It seems to me that this is no longer Proto's committee, but Raistlin's. Interesting.
Again, twisting my words.
I said <i>I</i> would not approve. That doesn't mean the Committee won't. I can't speak for Proto or ed or anyone else, just for myself.
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