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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry Gashes
    MNM and the Heart Throbs = ratings.
    I'm not too sure about The Heart Throbs (they haven't looked very good in the ring so far), but MNM are the best thing on Smackdown at the moment. Just a note: MNM aren't going to be sued by Eminem - that's just silly. MNM aren't even rappers, they're Hollywood wannabes.

    Unfortunately, WWE's current champions (Batista and John Cena) are the weakest champs in years. I didn't think that we'd ever see a worse champion than JBL, but I was sadly mistaken. Hopefully, Cena will get booed out of every building and Vince will be forced to take that prestigious championship from off his shoulder - pronto!

    Having said all that, the ratings are increasing at a healthy rate at the moment, so WWE must be doing something right.
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    JBL was awesome around December onwards. And I don't think you've really given Cena and Batistia much of a chance, as they JUST won the titles, and haven't really been given time to show off what they have to offer. Besides that, neither are in any new fueds yet.

    Here's to Christian jumping to SmackDown! during the Draft Lottery and fueding with John Cena. <3

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    I don't get the John Cena bashing. He's at least above average in the ring, there's no question about how over he is - he's the most over champion since The Rock / Stone Cold. People have been questioning who the next Rock/Austin is going to be, well you've got him - Cena.

    His moveset is more than acceptable. He's got a gimmick that isn't as stupiud as it's made out to be. The crowd has a total hard-on for him. He's had credible feuds with big-name wrestlers. He's got mic skills. Charisma. EVERYTHING. Sure, he's not Benoit in the ring, but he not Nathan Jones either.


    Batista was good before he turned on Evolution. After that he was boring. I can't see Batista staying in the position he's in for very long at all.

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    He's had credible feuds with big-name wrestlers.
    Credible fueds with big name wrestlers? As much as I enjoy JBL, he isn't a big name, and having squash matches with Rene Dupree and Orlando Jordan won't work, especially since he's the show's heavyweight champion. He can certainly go against better opponents, though.


    Batista was good before he turned on Evolution. After that he was boring. I can't see Batista staying in the position he's in for very long at all.
    You can't really blame him for that, though. He's been involved with Triple H angles since he started getting face pops, and hasn't really fought any big name opponent not named Triple H in quite awhile. He'll be much more watchable as a champion once this fued with Triple H -finally- ends.

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    Brock Lesnar
    Eddie Guerrero
    THE UNDERTAKER

    At Vengance '03 UT put him over big time by getting across that while Cena didn't beat him, he "took him to his limits." He also had confrontations with Vince McMahon and Stephanie.



    (SPOILER)Batista's fued with HHH won't be over any time soon. At Vengance they're having a Hell in a Cell. VENGENCE. JUNE. It's APRIL now. Their fued started in JANUARY.

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    The mic skill of Batista is evidently bad. He's enjoyable to watch, but like Benoit, his reign as champion will be short. Benoit is a great talent, but really isn't The Rock or Y2J on the mic, and that really hurts your chances of being champion for long.

    Which is why JBL is more of an enigma. He sucks at the mic, he has limited in-ring skills, and is grotesquely overweight (compared to other wrestlers). I'm not asking for JBL to have a strong body, but gawd...he's suppose to be in more shape than that. Kurt Angle is probably the most reasonable WWE champion on SD!, he has everything a champion should be. Good mic skills and ring skills.

    Brock was just a machine, and people loved watching him in the ring. Even though he was bad on the mic, he was really great when he kept F5ing TBS...which awes me even to this day.

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    Are you mad? JBL has great mic skills! Much better than the current skills of Kurt Angle. I don't like how his character has been treated. He's ment to be the naive, innocent, pansy-like American Hero, telling the crowd how great he is in his geek self centered way, not hosting a Jobber Destruction Tour and yelling "I'M GONNA MAKE YOU TAPPPPPP!!!"

    Although I did love him on commentary.

    Angle: Oh my gosh!
    JBL: Did you say 'oh my gosh'!?
    Angle: Sorry, I don't swear like you.
    JBL: You don't deserve to be champion, you curse like a grade schooler!

    Pure gold.

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    JBL's mic skills have improved, but they still suck. JBL drew almost drew less money than Kevin Nash did when he was WWF Champ 10 years ago. Which makes sense considering that both men only know about 2 or 3 moves each.

    As for Cena? He may be the most over guy on Smackdown right now next to Eddy Guerrero, but he hasn't improved at all in the last year. His in ring work isn't what it should be and his gimmick has grown very stale. If the crowd has this "total hard-on for him" then wouldn't the crowd have been more excited when Cena beat JBL at WMXXI? When John Cena won the WWE Title, the crowd at WMXXI couldn't have cared less. They were almost silent when Cena won that match.
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    The match was absolute <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"> and the ending was anti-climactic. I'm not saying I love Cena or anything, actually I hate how his character is being treated right now, but the crowd loves him and he's more over than Eddy.

    Yeah, JBL sucks big time in the ring, no one can deny that, but outside, he was bloody entertaining. For pure entertainment, he was better than:
    Benoit
    Guerrero
    Trips (much)
    Batista
    Cena
    Angle
    Show
    Micheals

    almost every other champ is recent memory. Sure, I perfer most of them to JBL, but he owned them as far as being an entertaining champion goes. Besides, I no longer watch WWE expecting any match above **, because it's doubtable they'll give it to you, maybe once every three months or so. I've got ROH and Japan for match quality.


    Carlito's gonna be a big star. Cena seems like a Austin/Hogan combonation, while Carlito has his own feel. They need to bring in a big name star to have a career-making fued with CCC. I'm hoping the Rock. The chemistry they would have in promos/matches would be off the charts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo Jellybean
    The mic skill of Batista is evidently bad. He's enjoyable to watch, but like Benoit, his reign as champion will be short.
    He was champion from Wrestlemania XX to SummerSlam..that's not short at all. At least WWE came out of its 'New champion every month' phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry Gashes
    Quote Originally Posted by Dingo Jellybean
    The mic skill of Batista is evidently bad. He's enjoyable to watch, but like Benoit, his reign as champion will be short.
    He was champion from Wrestlemania XX to SummerSlam..that's not short at all. At least WWE came out of its 'New champion every month' phase.
    Well said. Back in the Attitude Era of 1998-2001 (or thereabouts), the WWE Championship changed hands almost every month at the PPV, and sometimes on the Raw/Smackdown shows! This devalued the belt, and it made its holders look like caretakers as opposed to serious and credible champions.

    In 2004, the World Championship changed hands only three times, and the WWE Championship changed hands just twice! True, JBL almost killed the belt to begin with, but he grew into a fairly acceptable champion who everyone eventually got behind.

    Maybe things aren't quite as bad as they seem.
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    I was referring mainly to 2002, where we saw Triple H winning the belt in March, who lost it to Hulk Hogan in April, who lost it to Undertaker in May, who lost it to the Rock in July, who then lost it to Brock Lesnar in August. ._.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry Gashes
    I was referring mainly to 2002, where we saw Triple H winning the belt in March, who lost it to Hulk Hogan in April, who lost it to Undertaker in May, who lost it to the Rock in July, who then lost it to Brock Lesnar in August. ._.
    Who lost it to the Big Show in November, who lost it to Kurt Angle in December, who lost it to Brock Lesnar in March, who lost it to Kurt Angle in July, who lost it to Brock Lesnar in September, who lost it to Eddie Guerrero in February, who lost it to JBL in June, who lost it to John Cena in March, who ...

    Oh, look at that! I get carried away sometimes.
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