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    Actually, no, that's far from what I'm saying. I never mentioned divorced people, because it's not something they can change or take back. People who support abortion, however, I don't see a problem with refusing them Communion. As abortion is un-Biblical, and thus a sin to support, and Communion is meant only for those who are, supposedly, at the moment, "clean", it's only logical to deny Communion to those people. Any pro-abortionist can be forgiven, but I don't believe that can happen while they still support abortion. If they repent from their sins--including supporting abortion--then it means they will turn away from them, or at least try to.
    Sin support...well, yes, it does make sense, but...using anticonceptive methods is also sinful according to the Bible (remember Onan). Should communion be denied to them too? I could use a lot of examples...does really supporting something the Bible is against enough to deserve not reciving the communion? Well, I think denial of communion is a very strict measure against just one of the many sins mentioned in the Bible. Hell, even wanking is a sin.

    I don't apologize if your family is frustrated that the leader of their religion is a strict follower of their religion. If one disagree with the Pope--and thus Catholicism--then the simple solution is to move to another branch of Christianity, or whatever religion caters to that person's beliefs. Being the Pope doesn't mean being nice and trying not to push people away, it means following the Bible, or at least the Catholic Church's interpretation thereof.
    Catholic Church's interpreation of the Bible has varied through the centuries. A long time ago, smoking was considered sinful because it was Satanic for smoke to come out of your mouth. When the Sixtine Chapell was originally painted, all the figures were naked, later all were covered because a Pope considered naked figures impure, and finally some were unveiled again while some remain dressed. Now the church is against death penalty, but it during Renaissance they burned Giordano Bruno. I don't remember in whatyear exactly, but at some point of the 15th century, the big discussion was if women had a soul. The interpretation of Ratzinger is a conservative one, simply, he follows the Bible with a dogmatic view on his interpretations. That is not the only interpretation the Catholic Church has given to the Bible, and well, as you know the Catholic Church is divided into lots of fractions: and even though Opus Dei and Franciscanos are Catholic, Opus Dei differs greatly from the Franciscanos. And this Pope is much closer to the Opus Dei, as was the last one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endless
    As were all the children his age at that time. You weren't asked by the nazis whether you wanted to join the youth group or not. You were forced to.
    Moreover, when he was drafted into the Nazi army at 18, he almost immediately deserted, and was fortunate enough to be caught by Nazis that also opposed the war, so he was allowed to go home to his family. His family was anti-Nazi, from what I understand.

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    this guys gonna die in about 5 years time which will be a waste of pope as according to Nostradamus after this guy theres only 1 more pope

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    Nostradamus's predictions are a load of bull anyways.

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    He deserves a fair shot. To the Benedict XVI doomsayers on this thread, I would ask if on being hired for a job position, if you'd like a chance to start performing your new job before being written off as unsuitable? If, after the new pope has gotten comfortable with his new position, he's not what Catholicism needs, then it's fair to say so. The truth is, Benedict is qualified for the job, and was elected w/o controversy. He has yet to burn a homosexual at the stake, or reinstate the inquisition. The time for panic isn't quite yet.
    Knock yourselves down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sepho
    Quote Originally Posted by Endless
    As were all the children his age at that time. You weren't asked by the nazis whether you wanted to join the youth group or not. You were forced to.
    Moreover, when he was drafted into the Nazi army at 18, he almost immediately deserted, and was fortunate enough to be caught by Nazis that also opposed the war, so he was allowed to go home to his family. His family was anti-Nazi, from what I understand.
    Originally posted by Doomgaze in Bleys' lj:


    From CNN:

    Ratzinger was born on April 16, 1927, in Marktl Am Inn, Germany. He was the son of a police officer who came from a traditional family of farmers in Lower Bavaria, according to his Vatican biography. Bavaria remains a heavily Catholic region of Germany.

    He spent his adolescent years in Traunstein, near the Austrian border, when the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler controlled Germany.

    In his memoirs, Ratzinger wrote that school officials enrolled him in the Hitler Youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941.

    Membership was compulsory and the officials enrolled his entire class, acting on orders from the Nazi regime, Allen said. Ratzinger said he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood.

    According to Allen, his family was quietly strongly anti-Nazi, and his father took a series of less significant jobs to stay away from what was happening in Nazi Germany.

    During World War II, Ratzinger was drafted into army in 1943, serving in an anti-aircraft unit that tracked Allied bombing raids.

    He deserted in the waning months of the war in 1945 and returned to Traunstein, where he was taken prisoner by U.S. troops.

    In June 1945, he was released from a POW camp and returned home, this time hitching a ride on a milk truck.

    From 1946 to 1951, he studied philosophy and theology at the University of Munich and at another school in Freising.

    He was ordained a priest in 1951. In 1953, he received his doctorate in theology. His doctoral thesis was entitled, "The People and House of God in St. Augustine's doctrine of the Church."

    Four years later, he was qualified as a university teacher and taught dogma and fundamental theology at four different German universities.

    In 1962, at age 35, he was a consultant during Vatican II to Cardinal Frings, a reformer who was the archbishop of Cologne, Germany.

    Allen said that as a young priest Ratzinger was on the progressive side of theological debates, but began to shift right after the student revolutions of 1968.

    In 1969, he was named professor of dogmatic theology and of the history of dogma at the University of Regensburg, where he was also named vice president.



    Just wanted to clear that up for everyone. As for him my thoughts on Benedict, I really dont care to be honest. I hope his papacy goes well, and I hope he doesnt build a Death Star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix

    Just wanted to clear that up for everyone. As for him my thoughts on Benedict, I really dont care to be honest. I hope his papacy goes well, and I hope he doesnt build a Death Star.
    Amen.

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    Could anybody imagine a cross between Darth Vader's costume and a Pope suit? That'd be hilarious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
    Sin support...well, yes, it does make sense, but...using anticonceptive methods is also sinful according to the Bible (remember Onan). Should communion be denied to them too? I could use a lot of examples...does really supporting something the Bible is against enough to deserve not reciving the communion? Well, I think denial of communion is a very strict measure against just one of the many sins mentioned in the Bible. Hell, even wanking is a sin.
    Yes, remember Onan. One of the many times specific passages from the Bible are taken out of context. Onan was actually being commanded not to "spill his seed on the ground" ("pull out") so that he and his wife would have a child. Many people see this as one specific instance, not a general command, and don't find anything sinful about contraception between married couples. The Catholic Church, however, does--and that's their beliefs, I'm not ragging on them about that (although there are many parts of Catholic doctrine I disagree with). But is supporting something that goes against the Bible enough to warrant being refused Communion? Well, supporting (or taking part in) something that goes against the Bible...that would be "sinning"... And Communion is supposed to only be for people who have been recently forgiven of past sins, and thus "clean"... So yes, I would imagine it would be enough. If somebody came in and said "You Padre, gimme some of that s***, I'm so thirsty I could lick the sweat of a horse's balls. And some of that bread, too, holy s*** am I starvin'." Should he recieve Communion?

    Another question is...According to the Bible and Christianity, could somebody that lives in sin--be it somebody who is homosexual, or takes birth control, or a serial rapist, or whatever--become a Christian without giving up that sin? (Remember, I'm referring to birth control as a "sin" according to the Catholic church, not all of Christianity.)

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    I thought that the moment one accepts Jesus Christ as one's savior that all sins were forgiven.

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    According to Christianity, yes, I believe so. According to Catholicism, for some reason, one must still confess their sins to a priest to be forgiven. I don't know the ins-and-outs of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix
    I hope his papacy goes well, and I hope he doesnt build a Death Star.
    YES! The first thing I thought when I saw a picture of Pope Palpatine Benedict was him saying "Soon the rebellion will be crushed and young Skywalker will be one of us."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch
    According to Christianity, yes, I believe so. According to Catholicism, for some reason, one must still confess their sins to a priest to be forgiven. I don't know the ins-and-outs of it.
    Firstly, you have to get baptized and go through first reconciliation. Then first communion, then you get confirmed, then get married (to Jesus as a nun or priest, or to a person), and then last rights. Those are the seven sacraments (I'm missing one here). All those are needed in order to be saved, according to my ex-Catholic boyfriend.

    As for Christianity, you just have to accept Jesus into your heart, as your savior and all.

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    According to Christianity, yes, I believe so. According to Catholicism, for some reason, one must still confess their sins to a priest to be forgiven. I don't know the ins-and-outs of it.
    Nope, Christianity is a religion with many branches. Catholics believe in cofession, Luterans in the whole thing of accepting Jesus, Anglicans and Orthodox...well, I dunno. I'd like to know the views of the Maradona Church.

    And Communion is supposed to only be for people who have been recently forgiven of past sins, and thus "clean"
    Nope, in Catholicism, it's just if you are under mortal sin, meaning disobeying any of the ten commandments.

    Could anybody imagine a cross between Darth Vader's costume and a Pope suit? That'd be hilarious.
    Actually he looks more like emperor Palpatine.


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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._pope_s_e_mail

    That would be quite a lot of email to read.

    Take care all.

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    he thinks ac/dc is the work of satan and call them anti-chist's...wierd

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