5-Year-Old Girl Cuffed After Fight At School

[TheAbominatrix]

I'm 6 foot tall, 140. And try getting punched and kicked by any kid in a tantrum. It hurts. Ask any mother if their child has ever hurt them in the middle of a fit. 99% will say yes.

It doesnt matter if it's 'Racist State, USA'. You dont know those police officers. You dont know how they think or feel, so dont accuse them of racism, because that's essentially what you're doing, no matter what you play it off as. Your reasoning is ridiculous and closed-minded. It's like saying that in LA, where the LAPD has been accused and found guilty of racism before, wouldnt pull me over or harass me because I'm white. I've been to LA. No cop has treated me different. My black relatives live in LA. Not all cops give them crap. Lumping up an entire group of people because of your experiences is ridiculous.

And I'm waiting for a logical alternative. How should these cops have handled it?

[Vyk]

We'll never know,now will we (:

Edit: that was actually aimed at Akira, but it works good in response to Abominatrix too.

[AkiraMakie]

I'm 6 foot tall, 140. And try getting punched and kicked by any kid in a tantrum. It hurts. Ask any mother if their child has ever hurt them in the middle of a fit. 99% will say yes.

It doesnt matter if it's 'Racist State, USA'. You dont know those police officers. You dont know how they think or feel, so dont accuse them of racism, because that's essentially what you're doing, no matter what you play it off as. Your reasoning is ridiculous and closed-minded. It's like saying that in LA, where the LAPD has been accused and found guilty of racism before, wouldnt pull me over or harass me because I'm white. I've been to LA. No cop has treated me different. My black relatives live in LA. Not all cops give them crap. Lumping up an entire group of people because of your experiences is ridiculous.

And I'm waiting for a logical alternative. How should these cops have handled it?

ok, once again, i never said the cops were racist. here's a quote from my orginal post :

[q]Now, im not saying that the cops are racists. LET ME REPEAT THIS FOR YOU SASQUATCH. IM NOT SAYING THOSE COPS WERE RACISTS.[/q]


All ive said was that my experiences in life show that, they would not have put cuffs on a white little girl. Thats all i said. thats how i feel, and quiet frankly, you are right, therer was no way to handle it correctly but to have had the mother come up there(i know she didnt want to/"couldnt" come). I mean, when i was in kindgarden, my teacher used to spank us, but they dont do that now. people sueing in all. Thats the real sad thing about this.

But you are right, Vyk, we probably wont ever know. And for real, in a week, no one will care.

[TheAbominatrix]

I know you said that, but your claims say otherwise. Why would the cops react like that if they werent racist? Those are racially motivated acts if they would cuff a black child, but not a white child. So if you're accusing them of refusing to cuff a white girl while cuffing a black girl, you're accusing them of being racists.

And yes, we can agree there. Originally these sorts of lawsuits were to correct injustices, but more and more often they're creating more. People cant help other people because that person might sue them. It's really gotten out of hand.

[nik0tine]

Those are racially motivated acts if they would cuff a black child, but not a white child. So if you're accusing them of refusing to cuff a white girl while cuffing a black girl, you're accusing them of being racists.

You word this as if it was a concious decision on the part of the police. I think what he is saying is that it just wouldn't have happened that way if the girl was white. I seriously doubt the cops think "She is black, and I hate blacks, so I will cuff her because I hate blacks!" There is a racial bias in each and every one of us, (well, most of us at least) including the police. It's slight in some people, and it's blatantly obvious in others. That racial bias can and will affect judgement, at least initially. The cops may not have cuffed a white girl because they can associate more with a white girl than they can a black girl.

[TheAbominatrix]

It would be a conscious decision if they were faced with the same situation. And why is everyone assuming these cops are white? The only reason the race of this child came up in the situation is because she's black. What if this had happened to a white child. Would we be saying "They only cuffed her because she was white"?

[nik0tine]

It would be a conscious decision if they were faced with the same situation. And why is everyone assuming these cops are white? The only reason the race of this child came up in the situation is because she's black. What if this had happened to a white child. Would we be saying "They only cuffed her because she was white"?

If I recall, in the picture where the cops were cuffing the girl, the cops were white.

Also, I think there is a double standard here. If the girl was white, and they HAD cuffed her, this whole race thing would never have come up.

[Shlup]

I'm going to go ahead and ignore the whole race issue; I don't think it's relevent.

I have studied the developement and proper treatment of children for a few years now, and I'm going to go ahead and say that putting the girl in cuffs was perfectly reasonable. It shouldn't be the first resort by any means, but children freaking out need to be restrained. Around here we use the "basket weave" retraint (hugging them from behind so their arms can't move), but in a growing number of places, teacher's aren't allowed to do that. In some places teachers can't touch kids in any way at all, when, really, there will always be kids who freak out and need to be held until they calm down.

I think all the important details are left out of that article, and the video wont load... :/

In any case, children don't do that kind of stuff just 'cause they're "bad," so there's something up with her. Personally, I think the girl getting cuffed is probably the least important part of the entire issue.

[DMKA]

It doesnt matter if it's 'Racist State, USA'. You dont know those police officers. You dont know how they think or feel, so dont accuse them of racism, because that's essentially what you're doing, no matter what you play it off as. Your reasoning is ridiculous and closed-minded. It's like saying that in LA, where the LAPD has been accused and found guilty of racism before, wouldnt pull me over or harass me because I'm white. I've been to LA. No cop has treated me different. My black relatives live in LA. Not all cops give them crap. Lumping up an entire group of people because of your experiences is ridiculous.

Hee, I was born and grew up in LA...and I'd laugh at anyone who told me the cops treated them wrong based upon race....but I've heard it. xD

I hate that race has been brought into this thread. I really, really do. That "they wouldn't of done it if she was white" is just silly to me. She was out of control, which is why they did it.

I live in an extremely racist area, and an extremely racist state as a whole, particularly concerning black people (ask lordblazer, he lives in Oklahoma too, and he's black), but even here the cops don't treat the black people different, so I'd have an extremely hard time believing you about Florida, because Florida, while I haven't been there, I know it's a pretty diverse state. Plus it's just wrong to say such about the police officers when you don't even know them. They're individuals, just like you and I.

Plus I'm almost certain in the video the cop said the mother told them to put them on her. Assuming that her mother is black aswell, I seriously doubt she's got a thing against little black girls, much less her own daughter.

[AkiraMakie]

Those are racially motivated acts if they would cuff a black child, but not a white child. So if you're accusing them of refusing to cuff a white girl while cuffing a black girl, you're accusing them of being racists.

You word this as if it was a concious decision on the part of the police. I think what he is saying is that it just wouldn't have happened that way if the girl was white. I seriously doubt the cops think "She is black, and I hate blacks, so I will cuff her because I hate blacks!" There is a racial bias in each and every one of us, (well, most of us at least) including the police. It's slight in some people, and it's blatantly obvious in others. That racial bias can and will affect judgement, at least initially. The cops may not have cuffed a white girl because they can associate more with a white girl than they can a black girl.

Thank you Nik, Thats exactly what i was saying. Its a real racial biased in florida and in alot of other places as well. All i was saying is that they would have thought twice before putting cuffs on a white child thats 5 years old. Also, it doesnt really matter what the race of the child is, i was bringing that point up because i felt that i should respond to something Sasquatch said. He talked of the mother pulling the race card in court, so, i had to say something. He automatically thinks that all black people pull the race card when they go to sue somebody or go to court. Cause of course we have to be handed everything. Nobody just does stuff wrong to us.


[q=DMKA]
Hee, I was born and grew up in LA...and I'd laugh at anyone who told me the cops treated them wrong based upon race....but I've heard it. xD

I hate that race has been brought into this thread. I really, really do. That "they wouldn't of done it if she was white" is just silly to me. She was out of control, which is why they did it.

I live in an extremely racist area, and an extremely racist state as a whole, particularly concerning black people (ask lordblazer, he lives in Oklahoma too, and he's black), but even here the cops don't treat the black people different, so I'd have an extremely hard time believing you about Florida, because Florida, while I haven't been there, I know it's a pretty diverse state. Plus it's just wrong to say such about the police officers when you don't even know them. They're individuals, just like you and I.

Plus I'm almost certain in the video the cop said the mother told them to put them on her. Assuming that her mother is black aswell, I seriously doubt she's got a thing against little black girls, much less her own daughter.
[/q]

Well, like i said before, i wasnt saying that the police were racist. Also, while Florida is diverse in some area's, mostly the big cities, The smaller cities ( Tallahhassee, etc) and even a few bigger cities (JacksonVille, which is known for its racial prejuduce) Are EXTREMLY RACIST and so are alot of the establishments. Alot of places in northern florida is like that. The diversity in that state doesnt real begin until you go towards places like Orlando or Miami or places in southern florida.

The cops there just have a biased towards minorites. Why, mostly because of how they were raised. They may not be "racist" but they just act differently towards blacks. Now, that doesnt go towards every single cop on the force. But im talking about a majority of them.

Also, i doubt that what you read was right. No mother of any race in their right mind would tell the police to handcuff her 5 year old daughter. That would be crazy to even believe that.

[Sasquatch]

You know, i hate to start this with you, but im gonna anyway. If that little girl had been white, They would have never put cuffs on her. period.

You know, I don't really want to start with this "everybody hates you" bull, especially in a topic that has nothing to do with how certain races are treated. It doesn't matter why they put the cuffs on her, they should have put the cuffs on her, and I'd put money on the prediction that they'll play the race card in court.

[Vyk]

I totally agree. But for the doubtfuls I have to note that I think it'd be a lawyer motivated move more than anything. In a desperate attempt to win, which is what they always do, backhanded measures like that are sometimes necissary in their eyes. But I'll catch it all when it becomes a Law&Order episode XD (j/k)

[Jess]

What is the world coming to? :rolleyes2

A girl in my school did that, but she was 13. She punched 3 teachers and was going crazy. She got away with it though. Her punishment was a councillor.

[Excelsior]

"And as for 'cracking a 5 year old', Excelsior, that's pretty pathetic."

did i type wrong? my bad. i ment to say "cracking up" as in "laughing" meaning, if a little 5 year old tried to hurt me or something, id start laughing.

[TheAbominatrix]

"And as for 'cracking a 5 year old', Excelsior, that's pretty pathetic."

did i type wrong? my bad. i ment to say "cracking up" as in "laughing" meaning, if a little 5 year old tried to hurt me or something, id start laughing.

Ah, my mistake, and I apologize. I thought you meant like 'cracking the kid upside the head'.