do we exist?

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[q=George Berkeley]For in vain shall we dispute concerning the real existence of things, or pretend to any knowledge thereof, so long as we have not fixed the meaning of those words.[/q]

[q=Samuel Johnson]I kick this rock and refute him thus![/q]

[Haemo]

Mercen-X, though what u said is right that was not the question... evern if existance doesn't matter we can still ponder over it for numerous reasons. And the fact that we are pondering over it proves we exist, something that doesn't exist doesn't exist so therefor it does not know about itself or anything else for that matter and has no consience thought. So this whole forum is prof of our existance.

[Ism]

Mercen-X, though what u said is right that was not the question... evern if existance doesn't matter we can still ponder over it for numerous reasons. And the fact that we are pondering over it proves we exist, something that doesn't exist doesn't exist so therefor it does not know about itself or anything else for that matter and has no consience thought. So this whole forum is prof of our existance.

Exactly what i would have said.

Adios.

[Shadow_Wolf 6354]

some random conversation from the matrix that help me prove we dont "exist"

Morpheus : I can see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who
accepts what he sees, because he is expecting to wake up.
Ironically, this is not far from the truth....
Morpheus sits down in the armchair opposite from Neo
Morpheus : Do you believe in fate, Neo?
Neo : No.
Morpheus : Why?
Neo : Because I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my
own life.

NEO This isn't real?
MORPHEUS What is real? How do you define real? If you're talking about your senses, what you feel, taste, smell, or see, then all you're talking about are electrical signals interpreted by your brain.



my thoughts exactly :shoot: :evilking:

[Martyr]

Do we exist?

I think that what's his face's Razor is the answer.

Um... What's his face said that the most obvious and logical answer is probably the right one.

In this case, the answer is that whoever asked this question is probably retarded.

[Shadow_Wolf 6354]

no im not

*holds matyr down untill he takes comment back*

:shoot:

[Jebus]

Ok.

Someone prove that we exist.

And for those who believe the other way:

Prove that we don't exist.

You cannot do either. There is no proof either way. How do you KNOW that this is not a dream or an illusion? How do you KNOW that everything you see is real? People hallucinate all the time, and to them, the visions are real. Maybe your friends are just halucinations. Maybe your school/job is just a dream. Maybe life itself is just a fever dream. We do not, and can not know. However, if we assume that we do not exist, it offers a rather nice insight into the idea of reality itself.

I've been thinking about this subject for around three or so years now. It's just like Chuang Tze's dream, of which we get this quote:

"I once dreamed that I was a butterfly, flying among the flowers. When I awoke, I no longer knew if I was a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming I was a man."

I had a very similar dream to this. The detail and overall realism was amazing. So much so, that I did not even know I had woke up. I thought I was still asleep.

In essence. You exist if you believe you exist.

[Rase]

This thread give me a headache, therefore I don't care.

[Jojee]

*slaps Quina* Please stop using that font, it's so not you *cries*

And no, I'm just a figment of my imagination ^_^

[Shadow_Wolf 6354]

mine to

:shoot:

[bennator]

Cognito, ergo sum.

That's all I care about.

[BlackRibon]

we don't exist till we have 6 years old, because before that we don't know the results of our acts. when we do, we exist

[Shadow_Wolf 6354]

what if i was a computer program created by another program to annoy the hell out of you other computer programs?



you wont remember this encounter
:shoot:

[Ultima Shadow]

No.

Hi! My name is *insert name* and I don't exist! Do you?

[MoonZapdos]

Of course we exist... we're chatting right here in this forums, aren't we?