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    Quote Originally Posted by The Redneck
    If you base what you do around your appearance, then probably embody a more pure form of racism than anyone ever on the planet.
    Very well-put.

    One of the things that just drives me nuts is the growing idea in many inner-cities that for a black person to succeed, to study hard, and to work hard, is "acting white". If someone told me, as a white person, that I'm not really white because I don't spend every night drunk, have physical relations with my sister, or join lynch mobs, then while I probably still wouldn't knock that person down I'd certainly have the urge to. So why do people put up with it when self-appointed spokesmen claim that a black person who makes the effort to succeed in life is not truly black--that he or she is an "Uncle Tom/Aunt Jemima", a "sellout", or an "oreo"?

    What these people refuse to understand is that when black racists claim that the "ghetto experience"--crime, poverty, illegitimacy, and general Dark Ages-style misery--is the essence of being black and white people will never understand this; their statements dovetail perfectly with those of white racists who say the same thing--that crime, poverty, illegitimacy, and general Dark Ages-style misery is the essence of being black.

    There is indeed still racism in America, and there are indeed still racists in America. There are white people who hate black people, and there are black people who hate white people. There are places where a black person just doesn't go to if he wants to come out without being shot or hung, and there are places where a white person just doesn't go if he intends to make it out in one piece. It's sad--in fact, it sucks--but people will be jerks (to put it lightly, but there are, after all, rules against foul language on these forums), and no law will stop people from being jerks.

    All the same, race relations have come a long way in America. Black people generally like white people better than they ever have; white people generally like black people better than we ever have, and the two groups are mixing more often in everything from business to sports to entertainment to marriage.
    Beuatifully well said, this is why i still even read your posts.
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    I'm sorry, we are one Species but race DOES exist. Your race isn't social, it's genetical. Some have THEORISED that there are no races but it hasn't not got anywhere near the stage where you can state it as fact.
    If there is no such thing as race, how can one glance at someone give you an immediate clue as to their continental origins? To say this doesn't exist is to ignore evolution & your own instincts to be politically sterile.
    The genetic basis for human variety cannot be ignored, but at the same time cannot be overplayed. They can basically tell by DNA specimens where your continental origins come from. Race exists but we should not promote their differences individually but instead embrace them all.

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    There is an interesting point that The Redneck brought up that I wanted to comment on, something that both Charles Barkley and Bill Cosby have been fighting against: Racism against one's own race.

    In our society, there seems to be a pre-conditioning of all people that they must act a certain way to be accepted by their own race and culture. As was mentioned, some people of color get told that they are "selling out" or "acting white" when they attempt to pursue a full education or attempt to better their lives by their own peers! There is still a great culture and race gap that goes unspoken.

    Part of it can be atrributed to the entertainment industry, where unfortunately, most of the role models come from. Too many young black men want to be like the famous rap artist or basketball player they see as opposed to their teachers, or local community leaders or even own parents, when most of these entertainers and athletes wouldn't be exactly ideal role models at all.

    In that same way, young white girls attempt to be just like the pop artists and actresses that they see, who are also less than ideal role models.

    Perhaps, this might come down to what drives a given society. We all want to be successful, but right now, success is measured on how many cars you have or how many sexual partners you have or how rebellious you can be as opposed to perhaps championing a full education or compassion for one another, or love for one another as what it means to be successful and happy.

    This problem is not race related, but it does branch off and has specific effects on various cultures and races throughout our society. Hopefully, it is an issue that can be addressed or at least talked about so that it perhaps some answers can be found which can benefit everyone regardless of skin color.

    Take care all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
    I'm sorry, we are one Species but race DOES exist. Your race isn't social, it's genetical. Some have THEORISED that there are no races but it hasn't not got anywhere near the stage where you can state it as fact.
    If there is no such thing as race, how can one glance at someone give you an immediate clue as to their continental origins? To say this doesn't exist is to ignore evolution & your own instincts to be politically sterile.
    Well not from what ive read, im not a Genetic biologist, BUT i know of their work, u can read what ive read at this link which states clearly that there is NO scientific basis that says race even exists.

    Article 1

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    Using the latest molecular biology techniques, Templeton has analyzed millions of genetic sequences found in three distinct types of human DNA and concludes that, in the scientific sense, there is no such thing as race.
    Also watch the documentary Race the Power of An Illusion , you can find the website by clickling on the text.

    So u see race is a Social Construct, of the Human race.
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    Now for a lot of oyu guys who are so much against racism.You should read about colorblindedness and how it really doesnt solve or stop anything lol check out the sites that the person above me posted.

    The U.S. population is more racially and ethnically diverse than ever before. Yet for the most part, America's neighborhoods remain highly segregated. The only areas that have become more integrated since 1970 are cities with small minority populations.


    On the whole, segregation is highest in the major metropolitan areas of the Midwest and Northeast and lower in the West and South.


    The 2000 census shows that overall the nation's largest cities have lost large numbers of white residents to suburban and outlying areas. The urban populace is becoming increasingly Latino and Asian, with a slight increase in Black residents.


    According to the Lewis Mumford Center at the University of Albany, segregation has increased in almost every large suburban area from 1990 to 2000.


    Across the nation, four out of five whites live outside of the cities and 86 percent of whites live in neighborhoods where minorities make up less than 1 percent of the population. In contrast, 70 percent of Blacks and Latinos live in the cities or inner-ring suburbs.


    According to the Census Bureau's 1999 American Housing Survey, 74 percent of suburban residents owned their own homes, while only about half of urban residents are homeowners. The proportion is similar when you compare homeowners by race - in 1999, 74 percent of whites were homeowners, while only 45 percent of Latinos, 46 percent of Blacks and 51 percent of Asians owned their homes.

    Whites are still the most segregated of all racial groups, have the largest suburban presence and are most likely to own their homes. African Americans continue to be highly segregated and as Latinos and Asians gain a larger share of the population, they are becoming increasingly segregated from whites as well.

    When whites relocated to the suburbs, their strong tax base and businesses followed. The result: a huge discrepancy in the quality and quantity of resources, jobs and public services in central cities and inner-ring suburbs inhabited by mostly minority populations. As white communities continue the trend of isolating themselves and their resources, the pattern of flight and divestment repeats, and the wealth gap grows larger.

    Communities cannot be expected to accomplish integrated, stable neighborhoods on their own. In a 2002 study by the Harvard Civil Rights Project, analysts found evidence of an overwhelming trend toward school district resegregation. Court-ordered busing once made Southern schools the most integrated in the country. However, when many of these programs expired in the 1990s, the proportion of Black students in majority-white schools decreased by 13 percent. Until the problem of residential seclusion is addressed, schools will continue to resegregate by default.


    But aren't some communities segregated by choice? What about the Chinatowns, Little Ethiopias and other ethnic enclaves?

    People sometimes assume that certain ethnic or racial groups segregate themselves "voluntarily," but there are many factors involved. These groups often face discrimination when they try to enter established, primarily white communities. Limited job and economic opportunities, language barriers, and shared culture can also influence many groups to cluster. Ethnic enclaves, however, are very different from impoverished urban ghettos. Apart from "first-settlement" immigrant neighborhoods, rarely do ethnic groups ever become as highly concentrated as many Black communities. Ethnic groups can tap into various types of resources unavailable to areas of concentrated poverty: networks of friends and relatives, "niche" occupations and businesses, etc. Furthermore, ethnic enclaves are more transitory in nature - as stepping stones to entering more privileged, resource-rich communities. Still, many groups (such as Latinos and Asians) will face more barriers based on racial discrimination as they look to move out.

    Confronted with racially discriminatory policies, minorities could not take advantage of the programs that made it possible for millions of people to buy homes in the suburbs. People of color remained in the cities while they witnessed their white counterparts leave in droves. Today, mostly minority inner cities are characterized by the unique phenomenon of concentrated poverty. Inner-city residents face intense spatial isolation and inadequate public resources, education and economic opportunities. As more and more people leave, costs for basic services rise and the poor become even poorer. The average inner city consists of abandoned buildings, total business disinvestment, and resource-depleted schools leaving it vulnerable to violent crime, prostitution, and drugs. By the time anti-discriminatory laws were passed, suburban whites were enjoying soaring property values and minorities now faced the economic barriers that replaced those initially created by race.

    Moreover, after decades of segregation, a culture of poverty has become associated with people of color - particularly African Americans. Inner-city residents are not only surrounded by crime, drugs, homelessness and poverty, they are blamed for it. As john powell says, "Not only have we racialized our space, but it is through space that we do our 'racing' in the 20th century."


    How does discrimination, both past and present, continue to affect the life opportunities of nonwhites?


    In 1992, The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston released a study showing that Black and Latino mortgage applicants are 60 percent more likely to be turned down for loans than whites, even when they share similar employment and financial backgrounds.


    According to a 1998 report by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), African-American mortgage applicants were rejected 217 percent as often as whites - up from 206 percent in 1995. Latino applicants were denied 183 percent as often as whites - up from 169 percent in 1995.


    According to a Department of Housing and Urban Development study, high-cost loans are offered five times more often in Black neighborhoods than in white neighborhoods. Furthermore, homeowners in upper-income Black neighborhoods were twice as likely to receive these sort of loans than homeowners in low-income white neighborhoods. In 1998, 9 percent of home loans in white neighborhoods were high cost compared to 51 percent of loans in Black neighborhoods.

    In 2003, we celebrate the 35th anniversary of the 1968 Fair Housing Act. Nonetheless, housing discrimination persists in subtler forms. Minorities still experience discrimination on an individual level as well as through a variety of systematic practices. Realtors who practice racial steering will direct nonwhites to segregated areas or direct whites away from integrated areas. Minority mortgage applicants who are regularly denied loans more often than their white socioeconomic equals will by necessity turn to predatory lenders who charge them higher-cost loans than their credit histories warrant.

    As long as minorities are still barred from desirable communities and lose out on opportunities to accumulate wealth through rising property values, socioeconomic inequalities between racial groups will continue to be reinforced. Even if individual incidences of discrimination are no longer, the current housing market makes it almost impossible for a family with little or no assets to enter it. As home prices in resource-rich communities continue to rise, low to middle-income families must choose between renting or buying in at-risk, often segregated suburban communities.

    Ironically, defenders of the racial bias in the home lending system will point to the low net worth of minority applicants, even those with high incomes. As George Lipsitz points out, "net worth is almost totally determined by past opportunities for asset accumulation, and therefore is the one figure most likely to reflect the history of discrimination."





    The Resources section of this Web site contains a wealth of information about issues related to race. There you'll find detailed information about books, organizations, film/videos, and other Web sites. For more about this topic, search under "housing," "segregation," "wealth," or "white advantage." You can also find articles about this subject in the Background Readings section.





    Have students investigate the history of their family's wealth and opportunities back through at least two generations. What obstacles or opportunities have they faced in buying their own home? How did they finance it? Did they get assistance from their families (loans, gifts, etc.)? What sort of neighborhoods did they grow up in?


    Ask students to take a virtual walk through their community. Is it racially diverse? Is it integrated or divided by race? Where are the businesses? Where is the highway? What public services are where? Do certain patterns emerge?


    How segregated is your community? Students can research residential patterns in their own metropolitan areas and investigate their causes by using the Resources and Background Readings sections of this Web site.


    Ask students to look into different residential communities in their area. Are there examples of different ways certain communities have fought to maintain stable, integrated neighborhoods? Compare success stories with those of nearby neighborhoods that experienced rapid decline. (If there are no applicable examples in your area, well-documented studies include: Shaker Heights v. East Cleveland, Ohio; Maywood v. Oak Park, Illinois; the neighborhoods of West Mount Airy v. East Mount Airy/Germantown in Philadelphia, PA.)


    What can be done to ensure stability and a wealth of resources in a community? Have students research the following terms: anti-sprawl, regional equity, community development corporations.


    Robert Bullard wrote: "Race has been found to be an independent factor, not reducible to class" in determining who will be exposed to environmental hazards ranging from air pollution, contaminated fish, lead poisoning, city landfills, incinerators and toxic waste dumps. Search under "Environmental Racism" in the Resources Section of the Web site.


    Have students investigate the cases that have led to nationwide allegations of environmental racism.

    Is there a community near you that is in danger? Have students investigate the reasons why and discuss different ways communities can get involved.
    and that my friend is why Affirmative Action is needed.

    also for a better understanding of AA

    go here

    http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/00...erts-03-05.htm

    http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/00...erts-03-07.htm

    http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/00...erts-03-08.htm
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