Down with conservatives!

[edczxcvbnm]

This banning is wrong. I have not seen him say anything worth the banning at all...in fact I just might use that warn button to death now. TO DEATH I Say...but that might require effort and time I don't have anymore ;_;

Like I am one to talk. I say some pretty sick in there sometimes

[Sasquatch]

Ummm...Redneck, I don't think it was Del Murder that banned me.

[The Redneck]

Oops.

Dang, I expected better from Big D. My bad.

[DMKA]

This thread made my night.

[Del Murder]

Heh, I don't have anything against you two. You guys are getting a little too deep for me over a two week ban. I am sorry that you are frustrated, but I really don't see any problem with the rules in place as they are. We do our best to make the right judgements on bannings and so far it has worked since this place is still going strong. You can't please everyone.

[nik0tine]

I disagree with Sasquatch quite often, but I must say that this ban is completely absurd. I'd like to see D explain this one.

[Big D]

[q=The Redneck]As for the comment itself--"A lot of people here would just like to see America and Americans hurt" translates to "Big D, specifically, and others besides him would like to see civilians harmed with chemical weapons"? Which translator are we using to decipher this, here? I hope I don't ever log on here drunk and type "SAG FAKLjasdfjiuh asdhf;kl poiurien ltkm kjryeiuanf a'jf;adsfj!!!!" or else D will probably be calling the police on me for terroristic threats...
[/q][q=Sasquatch]I never said anything about whether or not Big D felt that way, I said there were people in this forum and around the world that felt that way[/q][q=Sasquatch, in the thread]Would you rather us leave him alone and have been right, but not find out until one of our cities gets attacked with a chemical agent? Don't answer that--I know a lot of people here would just like to see America and Americans hurt, as would a majority of the world.[/q]This is easily construed as being directed personally at the person to whom he was responding.

Hell, even if that "100,000 civilian deaths" crap

A statement I expressed is "crap", rather than utilising civil means to question its accuracy.

The NAACP would love you. (Unless you're white, of course...well, even with that mentality, they could use you.)

Again, a personal attack - or statement easily construed in that way.
In all, there were numerous elements of that particular post that were plainly intended to be personal provocations or insults. The ban was the product of all such comments made in that one instance.

I've stated so many times that I simply disagree with many aspects of US foreign policy and how they're implemented. I question the legality of some implementations of that policy. For having, expressing and explaining this view, I get suggestions that I somehow hate America as a whole, and that I don't mind if more innocents are killed. Along with that, I get accused of racial prejudice and lying.

I shouldn't be discussing Staff stuff publically, so I'll make the minumum amount of disclosure here... [q=The Redneck]inflammatory, crude, or just plain hateful statements are fairly common, from the left side of the aisle, and suffer no consequence.[/q]I number of "left" individuals have been EotW banned recently. I banned one or two myself. We just don't make public announcements about those bannings.

I basically agree with eestlinc and Del Murder over these issues. Deliberately constructing arguments in such a way as to provoke and inflame a response - such as by making personal attacks or insinuations against those who think differently - isn't the best way to seek a constructive, balanced debate. If you choose to stop debating issues and start making personal accusation and attacks, then it's difficult to complain when others follow suit. This goes for everyone, as is demonstrated by the number of EoEO/EotW bans currently in place. People should be able to discuss these big, world-changing issues without making the argument personal, yet individuals repeatedly turn the debate into a personal one -

"Oh, so you want your people to take over my country next?"

"Why should we wait to be attacked? So naive pacifists like you won't complain?"

"Ah, I see - you're one of those sick perverts who enjoys it when your beloved 'armed forces' kill another foreigner. Wow, you're cool."

Not the best way to go about things.

Also, I can't respond to every PM because I don't receive every PM that's sent to me. That's due to a quirk in my profile settings.

[Shlup]

People like you and Redneck, Sasquatch, are why people think conservatives are obnoxious, egocentric, and nuts. Your abrasive and pushy rants aren't converting anyone to your (our, really) side, and only serve to give liberals ammo to rant about crazy conservatives.

You are not being treated differently because of your views; you are being forced to shut up because you refuse to show any respect for others. And, no, having the courtesy to put a thin veil over your rants and insults doesn't count as being respectful.

I've been holding that in for at least a couple of weeks.

[Big D]

There is one other thing I've been thinking about, though...

When I read Sasquatch's post in that World Events thread, I was enraged - in just the way, and for just the reasons, that ShlupQuack described.
Because of my angered state, I immediately imposed the most severe penalty I could without it being wildly inappropriate.

While I do not regret using an EoEO ban in that case, I do admit that my response was disproportionately severe. I punished out of anger, which is unprofessional and unhelpful.

I apologise for this act, and Sasquatch's ban period will be reduced accordingly.

Moderators are not immune from the forces of provocation; however, I could simply have got another moderator to deal with this matter, or waited until the feelings of hurt and anger had subsided.

[Endless]

Sorry, it might not be the majority of the world. Just most of the Muslim world, France and Germany (actually most of Europe), most developing and/or third-world nations... Maybe not 51% of the world population hates America, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Just wanted to react to that one. Most of joedude-level France (and I'm pretty sure Germany) doesn't really give two damn what happens to you Americans. When they do, they usually point at you and laugh at the "crazy Americans", and that's about the extent of our wishing bad things on you (Edit: and they feel concerned when bad things happen, a very very small minority of not even French people may have partyied after 9/11, the rest of us were following the news nervously). Reasonable people even wish you *gasp* well. And as for politicians... they do whatever is going to net them votes.

Edit:
Ah, forgot the rest. Most East european countries like you, because it means out of the Russian influence. Spain is like France, Portugal doesn't care, Italy same except when one of their guys dies, Norway I'd guess doesn't care given their situation, Sweden and Finland I don't know. Belgium and the Netherlands, like France, UK same. Switzerland, see Norway.
In short, you mistake a somewhat general disliking of Psdt Bush for a "wishing death on America".

[Yamaneko]

Instead of discussing this for the tenth time, I am going to go ahead and close this thread. We are debating the matter in staff currently, and I promise you that we will have an answer concerning EoEO bans shortly.

Please don't make anymore threads in Feedback concerning EoEO bans. They will be closed. Thank you.