Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 65

Thread: A Vegan Proposal

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Dahlonega, GA (up in the mountains)
    Posts
    270

    Default A Vegan Proposal

    Please note: This is something I wrote years ago, in Digital Expressions so if some parts don't seem quite relevant, that's probably why. Also, there is no filter/mods on DE, and left to my own devices I am sometimes rather profane. I did try to clean the profanity out of this thread, but if there is still some remaining then by all means let me know and I'll get right on editing it out.

    For some reason, the internet seems to be a haven for vegans--not people who believe that they shouldn't eat meat, but people who believe that I shouldn't eat meat. These people refer to meat, as I saw one idiot write, as "murdered meat, raped (yes, she wrote 'raped') milk, and stolen eggs." First, this is inherently stupid, but more than that, it trivializes the actual crime--who in their right mind would want to equate the killing of a pig to the murder of a human being, or taking a chicken's eggs to stealing the work of another person? And it can only be described as disgusting to say that the violation of another person's body is no more offensive than milking a cow.

    My first impulse--and, I believe, the correct one--is to tell these people to clean my hairy redneck *** with a straw (I advise you to try not to visualize that). However, I have seen an idea--it's not mine although I certainly wish it was--that might be a workable compromise.

    The main argument of vegans is that no animal chooses to be killed and eaten. This is true, of course--no animal wants to be eaten by humans or by other animals.

    However, there is a difference between prey and predator animals--first, they are different. Deer do not prey on wolves, nor do rabbits prey on hawks or marmots on ferrets. While some animals do prey on scavengers or meat eaters--such as insect-eating birds being a major food source for many animals, or among fish where the rule is basically to eat anything you can fit in your mouth--the general rule is that prey animals eat only plants while carnivorous animals eat only meat.

    Again to the crux of the matter--deer do not choose to eat only plants. Naturally, were they given a choice, they would choose not to be prey; I can't imagine a deer wanting a pack of wolves to run it to exhaustion, cut the tendons in its back legs with their teeth, tear its throat out, then tear chunks of its flesh out and gulp them down while it's still twitching in the agonies of death.

    Therefore, with the choice being between predator or prey, Vegans, with their refusal to eat anything but plant matter, have taken the option of being prey.

    Those of us who wish to pursue a natural human diet, therefore, now have exactly what we need--prey that chose to be prey! We can kill them in a humane manner, of course, and make sure they're cooked properly. Those of us who wish to wear leather can wear "Human(e) Leather" which will not irritate our consciences; and vegans, in the spirit of aiding us in compassionate meat and leather consumption, can even get tattoos in designs which will work well with an article of clothing--some may even wish to tattoo lines on their bodies to aid skinning or tailoring!

    Moreover, this does two other things--one is that it reduces human population. Vegans, as a whole, usually decry the human race as evil, and any measure which will reduce the human population will doubtless meet with applause and widespread cooperation and approval. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the practice of eating vegans will remove from our population the most stupid and morally stunted among us, thereby profiting humanity as a whole.

    ...it is not improbable that some scrupulous people might be apt to censure such a practice (although indeed very unjustly) as a little bordering on cruelty, which I confess, hath always been with me the strongest objection against any project, howsoever well intended.
    --Jonathon Swift, A Modest Proposal, 1729

  2. #2
    Banned nik0tine's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Dalmasca!
    Posts
    12,133

    Default

    My first impulse--and, I believe, the correct one--is to tell these people to clean my hairy redneck *** with a straw (I advise you to try not to visualize that).
    Too late...



    Well, I guess I can say that this thread almost made me smile.

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Sweden
    Posts
    1,680

    Default

    It seems like a good idea, but I do not believe one should stop with the consumption of merely vegans. There is a very limited amount of vegans on this planet and we would deplete this resource almost instantly. I am in general in favour of cannibalism as it is beneficial to everyone except the consumed individuals. All comfort is based on the discomfort of others and as the human race strives for comfort to the extreme extent, that it does not only affect other species negatively, but it also causes their complete extiction, every decrease of human comfort will slightly increase the comfort of other life forms. I believe human life is a superfluous luxury anyone would gladly sacrifice for the welfare of Mother Earth.
    Last edited by jrgen; 05-03-2005 at 08:10 AM.

  4. #4
    Gamecrafter Recognized Member Azure Chrysanthemum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    In the Chrysanthemum garden
    Posts
    11,798

    FFXIV Character

    Kazane Shiba (Adamantoise)
    Contributions
    • Former Cid's Knight

    Default

    In all seriousness, I detest anyone who dares shove their beliefs on me. I recognize and uphold your right to an opinion, and I expect the same courtesy to be extended to me. Now pass the chicken.

  5. #5

    Default

    I was confused for a moment as I wasn't sure if this was meant to be a straight satire, as Swift's was, but I see what you're saying now and your point is well taken indeed.

    So long as Vegans are free to not eat meat, and people who do enjoy meat, such as myself and you good sir, are allowed, then everything should be smooth sailing. Here's hoping it stays that way.

    Take care all.

  6. #6
    Quack Shlup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    California
    Posts
    34,993
    Articles
    14
    Blog Entries
    37
    Contributions
    • Former Administrator
    • Former Cid's Knight

    Default

    If you weren't such an abrasive ass, Redneck, I would give you a high five for that one.

    I got EoEO banned for this post and all I got was this lousy edit!

  7. #7
    (。◕‿‿◕。) Recognized Member Jojee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Posts
    9,611
    Contributions
    • Former Cid's Knight

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jrgen
    It seems like a good idea, but I do not believe one should stop with the consumption of merely vegans. There is a very limited amount of vegans on this planet and we would deplete this resource almost instantly. I am in general in favour of cannibalism as it is beneficial to everyone except the consumed individuals. All comfort is based on the discomfort of others and as the human race strives for comfort to the extreme extent, that it does not only affect other species negatively, but it also causes their complete extiction, every decrease of human comfort will slightly increase the comfort of other life forms. I believe human life is a superfluous luxury anyone would gladly sacrifice for the welfare of Mother Earth.
    This made me laugh

    I want to try to be vegan for a week just to see if I can do it I propose a challenge.


    Wat
    is
    going
    on
    wtf
    rawr

  8. #8
    Who's scruffy lookin'? Captain Maxx Power's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Millennium Falcon
    Posts
    7,905

    Default

    Hey vegans, guess what? Life is built on death. Organisms die, they either decompose or get eaten, but either way they're going back into the ecosystem. It's called progress. When I die some bacteria are going to have themselves some lunch. That's life (quite litreally). Deal with it.

    Besides which the way our world's going cannabilism is pretty much going to be a necessity. Kinda like Logan's Run.
    There is no signature here. Move along.

  9. #9
    Quack Shlup's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2000
    Location
    California
    Posts
    34,993
    Articles
    14
    Blog Entries
    37
    Contributions
    • Former Administrator
    • Former Cid's Knight

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx Power
    Hey vegans, guess what? Life is built on death. Organisms die, they either decompose or get eaten, but either way they're going back into the ecosystem. It's called progress. When I die some bacteria are going to have themselves some lunch. That's life (quite litreally). Deal with it.

    Besides which the way our world's going cannabilism is pretty much going to be a necessity. Kinda like Logan's Run.
    The complaints of this thread are those vegans who push their views on others, and now you're doing the same thing. Smooth.

  10. #10
    A Big Deal? Recognized Member Big D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    8,370
    Contributions
    • Former Cid's Knight

    Default

    I have to agree with a lot of the other posters in here.
    Having others' beliefs - be they religious, ethical, or otherwise - foisted upon me is a pain. While I fully understand vegan beliefs about the sanctity of life, I don't much appreciate it when I'm treated as something less than human for not being a vegan.

    Hence why I'm happy that no vegans ever treat me like that
    I've got a number of friends who are vegetarian and vegan, for reasons ranging from personal to religious.
    Therefore, with the choice being between predator or prey, Vegans, with their refusal to eat anything but plant matter, have taken the option of being prey.
    I'd disagree. Being herbivorous doesn't equate to being prey. Eating meat doesn't make one any less suceptible to being eaten, so eating plants doesn't make one less strong and self-determining.
    You wrote of the importance of choice - deer don't choose to be prey, they become it.
    Vegans choose not to eat animals or animal byproducts, because they feel it is wrong to do so. Not because they want to assume the role of the deer, which has no control over its status; rather, they don't want to benefit directly from the killing of another animal.

    I'm reminded of a rather cynical and quite stomach-churning joke from primary school:

    "How do you solve all the world's problems?"

    "Get the hungry to eat the homeless".

  11. #11
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Dahlonega, GA (up in the mountains)
    Posts
    270

    Default

    Jrgen--
    Please tell me you were joking.

  12. #12
    Scatter, Senbonzakura... DocFrance's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    The high, untrespassed sanctity of space
    Posts
    2,805

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Big D
    "How do you solve all the world's problems?"

    "Get the hungry to eat the homeless".
    Soylent Green is people! PEOPLE!!!
    ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY
    (1) Eric Clapton is God.
    (2) Therefore, God exists.

  13. #13

    Default

    Wouldn't it be more fun to explain to vegans/vegetarians that their salad is still alive, and that the practice of vegetarianism discriminates against plants?

    Some of the more honest ones admit this:
    I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants. -- A. Whitney Brown The Daily Show

  14. #14
    Banned MecaKane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    2,002

    Default

    Who wants to eat a skinny vegan, anyway?

  15. #15

    Default

    Hmm, Vegan. It sounds like some race of beings in Star Trek. In any case, I bet they are delicious.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •