rather than ban the lot of you, which would be pretty dumb, I'm just going to close this thread. I think we can all just agree that Cuchulainn has more firsthand experience with the IRA and the conflict in NI since he lives in Belfast, and therefore he has a much more emotional tie to this discussion which is really tagential to the discussion of torture by American soldiers.

If you want to have a civilized and non-flaming discussion of this, feel free to make another thread and try again.