XBox 360 "are you wanting it" thread

[Samuraid]

Yeah, every developer is guilty of that. It's generally just a marketing ploy. Developers who develop exclusively for one system kill their sales in the process.

[Carl the Llama]

How powerful will the PS3 be?
On paper, the PS3 is 2x more powerful than the Xbox 360 and 15x more powerful than the Nintendo Revolution. It has a processing capacity of 2.18 TFLOPS, which is put into context when you realise the FASTEST computers in existence can only do 36 Terraflops. It is said to be 35x more powerful than the PlayStation 2 is.

[Samuraid]

Bear in mind that FLOPS are not necessarily a very accurate measure of performance in this case.

Very high FLOPS figures are often quoted for inexpensive computer video cards and game consoles.

For example, the PlayStation 3 coming out in 2006 has been announced as having a performance of 2.18 TFLOPS, roughly double the announced TFLOPS rating of the Xbox 360, itself rated in the TFLOPS class. Although the PS3 will have better TFOLPS the graphics on the X-Box 360 are said to be better than that of the PS3. By comparison, a general-purpose PC would have a FLOPS rating of only a few GFLOPS, if the performance of its CPU alone was considered. The TFLOPS ratings of the games consoles would appear to class them as supercomputers, if comparisons based on FLOPS alone were valid.

However, these FLOPS figures should be treated with caution, as they are not in general comparable like-for-like with FLOPS for a fully-programmable general-purpose CPU. The game console figures are based on total system performance (CPU + GPU). Most of the FLOPS performance for games consoles or video cards comes from their GPUs, which are deeply pipelined vector processors specialized for graphics operations, with only limited programmability. This is possible because 3D graphics operations are a classic example of a highly parallelizable problem which can easily be split between different execution units and pipelines, allowing a high speed gain to be obtained from scaling the number of logic gates, rather than clock speed alone.

And the fastest supercomputer runs around 135 TFLOPS.

[Lionx]

Theres very little reason to care about how strong a console will be besides maybe a few key items like a network card or whatever or their storage medium as that will dictate the games that will be made or the attractiveness of the console itself. Get the games you like >_>

I would say give the consoles a year and a Christmas or two...then we can accurately judge which games you want. I made the mistake of buying a few consoles early and not knowing which is best in the end and you KNOW it will drop price eventually. If anything buying the current gen systems with most of the games out now, is the best money management ever.

[Battousai62]

I like the wireless controllers for one. I also like the fact that the Xbox 360 will be more of a digital media center than just a video game system. The fact that it will display dvd's in hi-def is awesome too. To be truthful I am more excited about the 360 than i am the Playstation 3.

[Excelsior]

I like the wireless controllers for one. I also like the fact that the Xbox 360 will be more of a digital media center than just a video game system. The fact that it will display dvd's in hi-def is awesome too. To be truthful I am more excited about the 360 than i am the Playstation 3.

if anything, the PS3 is better for such a reason, because it will be able to play next-gen BlueRay discs, and 360 and revolution will only be able to play standard DVDs.

[Tidus Andronicus]

I would say give the consoles a year and a Christmas or two...then we can accurately judge which games you want. I made the mistake of buying a few consoles early and not knowing which is best in the end and you KNOW it will drop price eventually. If anything buying the current gen systems with most of the games out now, is the best money management ever.

How would that effect gamming, if everyone did that? XD Maybe, if everyone did that, companies like MS and Sony wouldn't make as much money in the video game area... And while it might get them to make more decent launch titles... it could also lead to the decline of video games, due to lack of profits. =/ But of course only a few people will truly wait like that, so this is kind of silly of me to say.XD Still, there will be plenty of info on what will be out on each system, before the systems come out, because developers will keep giving us more to look at the closer games/and systems get to being released. I think we will get more to base decisions on soon enough...

Anyway...

I also like the fact that the Xbox 360 will be more of a digital media center than just a video game system.

Oh, digital media you say? Well, can the 360 read photos from your digital camera directly off the memory card? Can it play Blue-ray discs? Can it be used as a video conference system and play your mp3s, all while you play a game? Or can it use 2 TVs and multitask those features on each screen? No you say? Should I go on? or would you rather find all these out for yourself, and watch both system's press conferences? LOL Do a little research please!
While MS's 360 is a multi-purpose system, Sony's PS3 is also heavilly focused on this job as well. And the PS3 also seems to have more features to support that, than the 360 does. At least to my point of view... maybe some people don't find those features very useful... I'll see if I can't do a side by side comparison for myself to see which system has more media features... hehe >=3


And on another note, as much as FLOPS shouldn't be use alone in comparison, look at the other stats of both systems! I can come up with one easy comparison right now using 2 stats that are linked together, as they are both stats for the processor! BOTH systems have 3.2ghz, and once again, while FLOPS don't mean much when used alone, consider that the PS3 has twice the FLOPS of the 360, as well as the same 3.2ghz speed, so when those stats are combined, its obvious that the PS3 is more powerful! You could also even compare the directly connected bandwidth of each processor, and how it is used; and it would still come out with PS3 on top! These are all linked stats for the processors, and thus effect preformance comparisons when comparing equal stats correctly.
This kind of comparison is much more accurate than just looking at single stats alone. At the same time, this kind of comparison, when done incorrectly, and read by someone that doesn't understand what the stats mean, can confuse and change what system looks more powerful... and this is what MS keeps doing in their comparisons... >_>

On paper, the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, and also has more features (at least in the physical aspect, this doens't include online features, cause those are unknown at this time).
ALTHOUGH, I still also believe that games, features, and innovations are what make a system good! Games and features are what people will use to make their decisions... some people will want what the 360 has to offer, and some will want what the PS3 will have.

[Samuraid]

ALTHOUGH, I still also believe that games, features, and innovations are what make a system good! Games and features are what people will use to make their decisions... some people will want what the 360 has to offer, and some will want what the PS3 will have.

Very true.

[Lionx]

Well that depends on what is more important Tidus, wanting the games and consoles now or later..its up to the person to decide, however i feel its better in the long run to wait ^^

Also i dont see how the multi media system argument works especially if you back up the PSP or own one. =/ Its the same thing if you want to put it that way. If anything the Revolution with its current info on it, seems to hold most interest in gaming only since it seems to be the primary focus and with its downloadability. So if its a digital media center the Xbox, so is PSP and just about anything that doesnt play games exclusively.

But despite that, its up to the developers to ultilize and push the console to its limits. Like the PS2 it was pushed hard espcially with FFXI and the recent games. The GCN, no matter how much better, did not do as well due to no interest of pushing it to the max, somewhat like Jaguar and Atari's systems.

[Tidus Andronicus]

Honestly, if Nintendo's only trick up their slieve was the downloadable games plan... well, that just doesn't seem so great... I mean its neat and all, and I'd be glad to play Mario, CT, the old FFs, or Zelda again... but I really hope they have something a little more... We still have yet to see what their controller has in store.lol
Oh well, we just need to wait and see about this also. XD

Lionx, What about the PSP now? O_o I'm not backing that up, or my own?
Sorry, >_< I didn't get you there...

[Lionx]

No what i meant was, people who say PSP is the best! Yet they say that the Xbox is a pure media machine and not for gaming, really are kinda being contradictory since there are Media devices for the PSP as well and its not only for games. Just something i see alot in college, PSP is great! But Xbox sucks since its not focused only on gaming! And the works... :rolleyes2

[Super Christ]

Honestly, if Nintendo's only trick up their slieve was the downloadable games plan... well, that just doesn't seem so great...

As long as they continue to be the great first party developers they always have, that's enough of a trick for me.

[Yew-Yevon]

lest just say that if PS3 is as big(if not bigger)a leap in beauty and control,and disine in gameplay, then that is all it'll need to be on top. as far as I know, PS1 has sold over 1hundred million units, and PS2 has out sold the xbox. most mags I read even EGM agree that Sony is King for this generation of gaming. and it might stay that way in the next generation.

[Tidus Andronicus]

As long as they continue to be the great first party developers they always have, that's enough of a trick for me.

I support Nintendo! Don't get me wrong... its just I hope they do good with this next console... we didn't even see any graphics demos from it... =/ all we've seen is the outer casing...
The controller is supposed to be real... different from anything we've seen... and they are even being misterious about what the graphics will look like...

But if the Downloadable games is there only way of impressing us... then well, I fear Nintendo is gonna go down pretty fast... cause most people out there, aren't gonna care too much about that feature...
As much as I love them T_T... The really need to be more competitive, and stop leaving us in the dark... lol

[Lionx]

Esepcially with Emulators :x