Manchester fans are mad!!

[Doc Sark]

Realistically, Man Utd wasn't floated on the stock market for the good of the fans. It was to make money and unfortunately, like NM correctly says, one of the risks of becoming a PLC, is that at any given time, someone can come along and buy you. Maybe the fans should be angry at the men that floated the club in the first place, and basically just whored the club out for merchandising and profiteering, something that just happened to be nicely supported by some success and good football for 8 or 9 years.

Glazer obviously sees Man Utd as a profit making business. Yes he's brought the club into debt by buying it, but he wouldn't have done so if he didn't see it a solid investment. Why would he let the team go stagnant by placing no money in to the transfer funds. I'm sorry, but if you can get loaned over 250 million, you can find 20 million a season for transfers. The club will drop off the pace and lose support if he doesn't allow the manager to spend money, it would be bad for business and therefore bad for Glazer, not to invest in the future of Manchester United.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the superbowl two years after Glazer took them over. He obviously is a good businessman, and Manchester United fans, fans of a team on their way down in terms of the success they enjoyed in the nineties (don't expect one utd fan to admit that however) should give him a chance. Quite frankly the pitiful demonstrations buy the few thousand fans holding shares are pointless. Man Utd's biggest support groups are foreign anyway, and realistically couldn't give a monkeys who owns the club, much less who's in the starting eleven.

[tomamar04]

I don't think he's good for the club, but I think many fans have taking too far by leaving the club, and saying he'll destroy Man United.

[Cuchulainn]

As a great deal of you lack the capacity to understand, let me spell it out to you yet again, why the fans are mad. hokai? hoakai.

Manchester United has been a well-run club, which has invested in the Old Trafford Stadium and players without getting itself into debt.

Mr Glazer's bid involves borrowing large amounts of money to finance any takeover, although the levels have been cut from the amount of debt he carried in his initial approaches to the club last year.

There is a fear now that he will eventually gain such a large shareholding that he can collapse his debt onto the club.

Source: BBC. Let me know if you are still lost.

[NM]

We all know Glazer has put Man U in debt in order to buy all those shares. But do you really think Glazer has done it just to see Man United go bust? He's bought the club to make money.

I'm sure you could wipe that debt out in no time. I've already read about him wanting to rename Old Trafford, The Nike Arena. Look how much money Arsenal are making from naming rights to their new standuim.

Then there's ticket prices. Even if you up ticket prices by a couple of quid per seat, think how much revenue that generates when you have a ground that can seat the best part of 70,000 people.

Then there's merchendise. Even if the fan's in this country don't buy it the fan's in the Far East will. You really think those people camped outside Old Trafford, burning their season tickets made your club the richest football club in the world? Man U is a global brand and it will be no matter who owns it.

[Devourment]

Still there's brilliance like this:

[tomamar04]

aah...Ronaldo. You can keep your Robben's and van Persie's, he's all United will ever need.

[Doc Sark]

Source: BBC. Let me know if you are still lost.

I'm lost. What was the point of that post?

Far be it from me to knock the regurgitation of published news, but coming from a perspective, where I'm not a Man U fan and can actually see past the nose on my face in terms of the club, it's useful to read between the lines.

It's plain to see why the Man Utd fans are mad, they think Glazer is going to destroy the club by collapsing his debt on to it, and I imagine many of the fans are worried about the knock on effects that might have on the club, ie, participation in European tournaments. But surely this is not the point, the fans don't matter, the puny resistance is annoying at best. The fact is Malcolm Glazer practically owns Man Utd now, and the fans are so busy whining, and doomsaying, that they probably haven't even considered Glazer's long term plan at all, which contrary to popular, Lancashire based belief, is not to run the club in to the ground by lumbering it with an insurmountable debt.

[Cuchulainn]

People were still lost as to WHY the fans where so mad. I reitterated why the fans where mad. Pretty much the point of my post. This could be the start of a trend. I'm pretty damn sure if it happened to anyother club, i.e. the club you support, you may be a bit more understanding. until then, I expect nothing more than gloating, finger-pointing & laughing from opposing fans. Nobody Likes Us, We Don't Care.

[gokufusionss1]

haha Glazers classic " i promise 20 million for players" chelsea have spent £300 million in the last two seasons on players.

[Doc Sark]

People were still lost as to WHY the fans where so mad. I reitterated why the fans where mad. Pretty much the point of my post. This could be the start of a trend. I'm pretty damn sure if it happened to anyother club, i.e. the club you support, you may be a bit more understanding. until then, I expect nothing more than gloating, finger-pointing & laughing from opposing fans. Nobody Likes Us, We Don't Care.

You see that's where you're wrong. The club I support, isn't a PLC, we aren't available for purchase on the open market so it's unlikely that a buyout of this nature, where the fans are so heavily opposed, would occur. As far as I'm aware, there aren't many other PLC's in the Premiership, I know Tottenham is one, but realistically, who wants to buy them?

Despite my dislike for Man Utd, more from a footballing perspective than anything else, I am neither finger pointing, nor gloating, merely pointing out that Glazer has bought Man Utd, and does not intend to run them into the ground as Utd fans seem to think he will. If anything, my objective stance causes me a small amount of jealousy. Man Utd need a fresh approach if they are going to be successful again. The previous regime had gone stagnant, McManus and co. didn't care about the club providing their pockets were being lined, proved by the sale to Glazer. I believe Glazer's enthusiasm and fresh approach could well benefit Manchester Utd, but then I'm not blinded by media hype and love for the club.

[tomamar04]

I think Aston Villa is a PLC too.

[Cuchulainn]

not being a Public Limited club does not mean you can't get bought over. Both PLCs and Private clubs can be bought. The danger is, and this is not from a Man U fan standpoint, but as a football supporter stand point, is that this could spark a surge in takeovers. It is important to realise not all will be as successful as Chelsea's. The danger in the Glazer take over is that, as he is not a football fan, it's a business & will be treated as so, and if he doesn't get the results he desires he could collapse his debt into the club, sell it & move on without caring. I firmly believe that this is just the first in many takeovers that may flood top flight football by businessmen. My biggest fear to be honest, is the unknown. We just don't know what will happen. In a few years my view may change & I'll eat my words, but equally so, in a few years United to be Debt Wrecked & sold off. It's a wait-and-see from now as there is little left we can do. United may well survive a hostile takeover followed by a jump-ship but smaller clubs could fold. Just takes a businessman & a whim.

PS: Your last post was excellent Doc, proved to me you weren't just a blind hater.

[Shoden]

its an either way thing it can kill Man U or make them better just depends but not liking man U well you get the point XP

its business so he its stupid to screw the team he is going to try thats for one debt or not it wont last forever either way

hopefully Man U wont end up like Newcastle being run by idiots lol (PS Sheapard owns greggs really!!!)

you may fin d me biast but i can see why Man U is mad but Glazer cant be judged the moment he tries to come in give it time who knows he could make Man U better than ever youll have to see

[Resha]

But WHY would he put himself through hell if he (a) didn't care for the club at least a little bit and (b) plan to make it a good investment?!?!?!

No sane person would, and most business men are sane. True he isn't top heavy like Roman/Chelsea guy, but that's no crime. -___-

[Shoden]

howay now who would want to spend 970M if hes going to waist the club and his money he may aswell burn it if thats his intention