the anti war hero thread

[lordblazer]

I am an Israeli soldier, performing a duty I can say nothing of. Here is what I've got to say to the American (and also non-American) soldiers on this board, regarding those who speak ill of the US and its troopers...

First - suck it up! You are soldiers, doing your duty (whatever that is), so that the ideals upon which the United States are established live on, and so that American citizens are not harmed. One of these values is the democratic value of Freedom of Speech - meaning, every bastard can say whatever he wants, even if it's extremely offensive. You will live, work and die so that that ignorant, oblivious and hateful American can say whatever he wants, without fear. You are a soldier, because had that citizen lived in Saudi Arabia, Syria or China, he wouldn't have been able to say such things, or he would be executed\imprisoned for saying them.

I hope I've got that point through. You have to take the sweet (and there is much sweetness to be found, if you but look for it, with the love and appreciation of many American citizens), along with the bitter. You cannot pick what you want.

Here, this problem isn't as predominant as it is the US. Soldiers here are nearly revered for the sacrifices they make... people here have lost family and friends to the enemy (and there is a lot more than just one, or even a hundred), and should the hounour of those that died for noble causes, or those that live to protect, be harmed... they'd take it personally. Very, very personally.

Few are still ignorant or deluded enough to speak ill of the troops... but they are not many, and not as vocal as they are in other places. Most here know the price of freedom and security - which are the blood, tears and sweat of many a soldier, doctors, cops, and everyone else who serves the public.

As for those who are devilish enough to disgrace those who sacrifice - shut up, really. I'd like to see you stand in-front of someone who has lost a loved one, and tell them it's alright they died, or perhaps that they deserved it. Can you do that? If not, good. If yes - I hope you can look at yourself in the mirror, 'cause those horns don't look too nice. It's one thing to criticise the goverment (which Americans do way too much, seemingly forgetting they elected that goverment, not taking any responsibility) or some of the actions of some of the soldiers (and yes, some troops forget why they are what they are, and lean towards the side of evil, doing dis-honourable things, disgracing the name of others), than to say hateful, pointless things about values you know nothing of.

nicely said.Thats what I've been trying to say but hey I'm not even in the military so its tough to be that direct.Its something my dad would've said what you said that is.

As for those who are devilish enough to disgrace those who sacrifice - shut up, really. I'd like to see you stand in-front of someone who has lost a loved one, and tell them it's alright they died, or perhaps that they deserved it.

You are bringing something up that can be found nowhere in this thread. Nobody has said anything about it being okay for someone to have died, or that they deserved it. I don't know where you get these dumb ideas from.

Also, I refuse to "shut up" just because you don't like what I'm saying.

to say hateful, pointless things about values you know nothing of.

Nobody is saying hateful things. We simply said soldiers arent heros by default. This, of course, pissed you off, because you are a soldier. Nobody is saying hateful things about soldiers. Sorry, but they aren't.

A fireman is a hero. A doctor is a hero. ANYONE who does their job\duty, and their job has a direct effect on people's lives (and the risk of losing them), is a hero in my eyes.

I disagree. A fireman is a fireman, and a doctor is a doctor. A fireman who goes beyond what is required of his job and puts something he values at risk to help another is a hero. Same with a doctor, same with a soldier.

nik0tine your arguement is futile.One thing is.Doctors,Fireman,Police officers,and soldiers,and other jobs.All contribute.They are heroes by default when they go out there and do there jobs no questions asked.
Have you seen the forest fires in California.Its like a 200 feet tall wall of fire and fireman jsut rush and run right into it.That takes guts because from weere i was standing the heat blistered my skin.

When i saw these two undercover cops make a bust on a drug lord.They tried there best to make sure civilians were cleared out the area jsut in case the guy had a gun and the guy did have a ugna nd he did use it.That police officer died.Have you seen someone killed right in your face.You wouldn't understand if you never experienced it.

Soldiers are fighting for your right to say what your saying.They're dying for those reason and you have the nerve to lower there meaning in life.I mean they have a right to have opposition of what you are saying and you have a right to say what you are saying.What defines us is what we say and how we say it.

Please don't double post. --foa