nik she did say since there are a few bad apple soldiers that all soldiers aren't heroes I read all her post every single post that cloud no.9 has posted.Well I'm done here.
I would like a quote from cloud 9, 'cos I really don't believe you.

Is it not possible that every combat soldier could be considered a hero except those that commit war crimes and loose the right to be called a hero.
No, it is not possible. (At least, not in my mind) It takes more than being a soldier to be a hero.

I would just like to point out that a hero doesnt have to be that of a IDOL.
Not a mythological idol, no. But they have to be worth idolizing in order to be a hero. A group of people can never achieve that status. Only an individual can.

Also, noname... I agree that that man can be considered a hero. However, that still doesn't mute my point that not all soldiers are heroes (And most of them never will be) It something much more than being a soldier (something like what this man did) He can be honored as a soldier, most people however, soldier or not, cannot be considered a hero.

this sentance bugs me though.
His courageous actions helped defeat the enemy attack, and resulted in as many as 50 enemy soldiers killed
So being a hero is measured by how many enemies you kill? I don't believe the amount of enemies one kills is criteria for heroism. If it IS, than whoever came up with that criteria is morally bankrupt.

This debate really is useless because everyone has their own idealogy on what makes a soldier a hero. Or what makes a person a hero. It's sort of baseless...
I agree that this debate is useless, but for different reasons than you. I feel that this debate COULD have had some redeeming value, if people would post with some degree of intelligence. Unfortunately, most people have posted nothing but nonsense, and thier arguments were based on anger, and it was backed up by the twisting of other peoples words. (I am not directly accusing anyone. You should know who you are by now. [there are alot of you])