Liberal Media?

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BBC makes out that Palastinians are killing Isrealis left right and centre, but statistics show that Isrealis have killed many more thousands of Palastinians than Palastinians have Isrealis. Plus Isrealis have bulldozed homes, destroyed schools and hospitals, and the BBC still tells us that this is for security reasons. BS!!

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laissez-faire in britain was pretty much entirely free. it had no legislation at all. people were selling leaded bread, building thoroughly poor housing which consisted of a single blank room, cholera was rife, children worked in factories, there was no health and safety legislation. the government had no control of the media at the time. (they still don't to a degree like any country) things havce changed dramatically since then. but be assured the days of dung heaps in london city centre were the hay days of laissez-faire. it was hugely free back then.

and regarding my piece on 19th century britain. that is how it was. the rich owned the factories, the manors. while the poor lived in the city and caught cholera and died. they were not acceptible to the army becauase they wee not nurished enough. it is far from debatble the state of the people in 19th century, it is historical fact. and the system they operated under? laissez-faire capitalism.

i would not rather africa starve. in fact if you look at my posts of recent in here you will see i am the greatest advocate for savinmg the african people. do not get me started on africa.

as previously stated 100 years ago my country was hugely capitalist and laissez-faire free. where the government didn't care about the lead content of bread nor the deaths in the cities for cholera water poisining. and everyone is far happier than they were then. cos people are entitled by right to a better life.

i'll explain schooling here. if you are poor (or middle earning really) you go to a state school. if you are richer and your parents wish they will send you to a private school. which has the better teachers, the less ruly pupils (no underclass), the better equipment etc. they get a better education basicly, based on what their parents earn. no more no less. a better chance (the biggest step you will get) in life because of inherited wealth not individual value.

yes america has a watered down class system. yet it still has a struggling underclass stuck in the poverty cycle.

how to define a human right? it is a right into which the government nor anyone else shall intervere (unless it's not a great right like if killing kids makes you happy). this means that the government not anyone else has no right to prevent you performing anything which makes you happy. nor shall it add in things which hinder in it unless again it is required. the right to a job is concrete. and it costs noone. if you work for someone, they produce more and so create more money out of which they pay you. it's not an expense or anything that needs to be forced. it is to the benefit of the employee and employer.

a free market does not gurantee a free people. free market do not gurantee rights at all. they are seperate entities. i can have a perfectly capitalist country while persecuting anyone i please. i just get lovely contractors to do it for me and dispose of everything. the economic, humanitarian and poltical are seperate.

Agreed. Socialism is just and the ideal form of government.

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As for inherited debt, they have a solution to that nowadays. This newfangled stuff called life insurance, I believe--it's remarkable stuff, it really is. See, what you do is pay a small amount every month for this stuff, and when you die, it gives the people you leave behind enough money to pay for your funeral costs, the debts you leave behind, and usually more. I myself have SGLI, which gives me a quarter million dollars when I die but costs only twenty bucks a month--and if I was sixty years old and smoked like a chimney, I could get the same thing. And even though that's through the military, there are plenty of other organizations out there that offer this stuff with decent rates. Or, there's always the option of, well, not racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt. But oh, we can't do that now, can we?

a child doesn't have the choice to telll there parents to get life insurance so they dont inherit debt heck a kid doesn't even know what life insurance is.A teen same thing a person in there 20s if a parent dies and leaves debt and stuff and doesn't have lif einsurance well its not hte person's fault that ther eparents were too much of a dead beat to get the insurance and htink aobut there dang kids welfare if something happened to them...see were I'm getting at dude.This crap happens to a lot of families and people every year and when you get caught in this vice its fustrating and tough to get out of man.Having inherited some debt it jsut made your lif emore of a hell hole lol..I mean its life but lets say someone inherits tehr eparents debt but its so much debt that heck they have to go homeless in order to pay for it.Now thats the easy way out its liek you said sas you can work three jobs for it but if it happens when your like wat 18 and a college student man you have to drop your whole dman future pay for thata nd go ahead and pay for oyur student loans.Beucase you won't have time for school if your too busy working to pay off a inherited debt lol.