Liberal Media?

[lordblazer]

Well... basically, yeah.

OK, I get it. Wow, liberals really are evil. However, in a conservative biased media, there would be no other bias than the golden and shiny truth.

Yes, because conservatives are all good Christian people who follow biblical values, and therefore never lie, kill, steal, ect. and liberals are just evil liars and black people.

which pisses me off everytime some dumb conservative says that all christains are conservatives.I'm a christain and I'm liberal at that.

Bush does have some kind of Neo-Conservative movement thats hiding behind christainity and when religion gets mixed up with politics like that.Nothing but evil will come from it.We live in dangerous times.

[The Redneck]

That wasn't whitewater. Whitewater was a land deal of some kind that was investigated and reported on four at least 6 years, even though they could never find any wrongdoing. That's why the conservatives decided to impeach the president for having an affair.

Wrong on both counts. 14 of Clinton's associates were convicted, although he let them take the fall for himself.
And Clinton was not impeached for having an affair either. He was impeached for perjury, suborning perjury, and obstruction of justice.

which pisses me off everytime some dumb conservative says that all christains are conservatives.I'm a christain and I'm liberal at that.

Maybe it's just that we have a hard time seeing how a Christian would support a faction so blatantly hostile towards Christians and Christianity.

And if you want to talk about "slandering" presidents, if the media was liberal, why did all the charges by Republicans about Bill Clinton get so much coverage?

So much coverage? Hell, the friends of Gray Davis accusing Schwartzenegger of groping got more coverage than Mr. Fluffy Bunny's accusers--including CBS deliberately sitting on the credible rape accusation still standing against him. The LA Times brags that it had 9 reporters in Little Rock--but it had 27 on the groping 'story'.

Other than the memo CBS thing, there hasn't been any slander of Bush by the media.

And the other AWOL stories, and the Harken stories, and the attempts to link him to Enron, accusations that he was "rolling back" policy by delaying one of Clinton's last-day executive orders, claims that Bush's cousin 'won' Florida for him by accurately calling the state for Bush 5 hours after the polls were closed, etc., etc., etc.

[lordblazer]

Maybe it's just that we have a hard time seeing how a Christian would support a faction so blatantly hostile towards Christians and Christianity.

WEll I'm a black baptist and really most people at my church are democrats at that.When it comes to politics racial backgorund plays a big role.The Democratic party appears more beneficial towards teh african americna comunity and the jewish community and the hispanic community no matter what religion you are.Thats the thing I know a blakc republican thats a christain.But when i mostly see a conservative thats a christain they're usually white.Make of note of this.Make a note of the seperation within christianity in the USA.When I was at the YMCA the other day some 30 year old white woman ask me if I was a repub.I said no.Then asked if i was a chrstain.I said yes.Then say how can i not be a repub. but be a christain.I think there is some kind of neo conservative movement thats splitting the christain church further apart.

[DMKA]

Maybe it's just that we have a hard time seeing how a Christian would support a faction so blatantly hostile towards Christians and Christianity.

Yeah, because we know killing sinners and hating people for being gay or having a child born out of wedlock is what christianity is all about eh? Equal treatment and tolerance...what? Jesus never wanted any of those things, no. Infact when Jesus disagreed with people, he whipped out the most destructive weapon he was allowed to own and killed the bastards!

Yep, that's the Christianity I know.

[Shadow Nexus]

Maybe it's just that we have a hard time seeing how a Christian would support a faction so blatantly hostile towards Christians and Christianity.

How are their hostile, may I ask?

[The Redneck]

How are their hostile, may I ask?

Consider Jesse Jackson blaming the Christian Coalition for the Holocaust (Literally--"The Christian Coalition was a strong force in Germany"... nevermind the fact that it was formed in 1989), but Jesse Jackson calling himself a reverend is enough offense to Christianity already. Among other liberals noting their views are Ted Turner "I had no use for organized religion", director Marshall Brickman "It's the big issue, isn't it, in the last 2,000 years, whether organized religion has really been a good thing.", actor Rupert Evertt "I think Jesus has been completely manupulated and used by organized religion", Rachel Hunter "I'm no fan of organized religion". Today host Katie Cuouric attributed the death of Janes Byrd to a climate created by Christianity. The Washington Post refers to Christians as "largely poor, uneducated, and easy to command." One liberal left his media job to found People for the American Way (imagine the uproar if a conservative named his group as representing "The American way") just to combat Christianity. The New York Times spent years trying to draw associations between Christianity and Nazis. When Jesse Ventura made his comments about "a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers," Newsweek called him "beguiling, blunt, a maverick. Time prased his "authenticity", saying "Today's political culture craves authenticity but bristles when it actually gets some." The Washington Post devoted an entire column to praising Ventura, in which he describes Christians thus: "Their views are so retrograde, their thinking so inexplicable... that it is simply asking too much to accord them the respect normally due religious leaders. Barbara Walters on 20/20 call it a "little mistake" and then asked, "Do you think that a totally honest man can be president of the United States?". The New York Times praised him for givign a "lift" to "stultifying campaign culture". Milly Ivins praised Ventura for his courage, asking "when was the last time y ou heard a politician take on the religious right?" (That's the most offensive part about it--they bash Christianity day in, day out, non-stop, and then expect us to help them pretend that they were slaying dragons...) Christianity's response? Flowers. 300 long-stemmed red roses with a card from the "churches, ministries and individual Christians of the Twin Cities who wish simply to bless you and extend to you our prayers for you to have a wonderful Christmas." New York Times columnists called Catholics offended at "The Holy Virgin Mary" (and please note which side of the aisle is supporting the virgin Mary with elephant crap smeared on her chest and "Piss Christ"...) "tone-deaf self-righteousness". I could go on for hours and hours.

It's lberalism, not conservatives, who have a 'devil term' that essentially comes down to accusing your opponent of being a Christian.

WEll I'm a black baptist and really most people at my church are democrats at that.When it comes to politics racial backgorund plays a big role.

I never understood why tht was, but I'll bet that most of your family is considerably more conservative than the Democrats your supporting. (as for the Democrats being more beneficial towards the black and the Jewish community... where does that leave Al Sharpton?). But as a black baptist, how do you reconcile your party's endorsement of religion? As a black person, who oppose abortion and homosexual marriage by something like 65% and 85%, how do you accept the Democrats embrasure of both concept? How to black folks, who have similiarily high support of school vouchers, put up with the Democrats deciding that's not what they really want? And if you get the chance sometime, you ought to look the statements of Margaret Sanger regarding abortion--it's no accident that America's first abortion mill was set up in Harlem.

I think there is some kind of neo conservative movement thats splitting the christain church further apart.

I'll bite. How is the church being split further apart, and which "neo-conservatives" are involved?

Yeah, because we know killing sinners and hating people for being gay or having a child born out of wedlock is what christianity is all about eh?

Yeah--when you can't see us we're running around lynching people, and we hate everybody. but I suppose killing babies, praising sinners, hating people for being successful, being homosexual, and having kids out of wedlock is what Christianity's really about, huh? All that "Christ the Redeemer" stuff is just for us fundies.

Equal treatment and tolerance...what? Jesus never wanted any of those things, no.

As if liberalism has anything to do with equal treatment or tolerance?

[DMKA]

Yeah, because we know killing sinners and hating people for being gay or having a child born out of wedlock is what christianity is all about eh?

Yeah--when you can't see us we're running around lynching people, and we hate everybody. but I suppose killing babies, praising sinners, hating people for being successful, being homosexual, and having kids out of wedlock is what Christianity's really about, huh? All that "Christ the Redeemer" stuff is just for us fundies.

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I'm not even arguing with someone who's taking what I said completely out of context.

As if liberalism has anything to do with equal treatment or tolerance?

A) When did I say such a thing?
B) What the hell is "Liberalism"?

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Has it ever occured to you that rampant stereotyping of "liberals" based on the actions of a few in the public eye might not actually be correct?

[The Redneck]

I'm not even arguing with someone who's taking what I said completely out of context.

Anybody who gives what you posted even the most cursory examination will easily see that it was not in the slightest taken out of context--if you don't have a leg to stand on then by all means take your ball and go home, but there's no need to slander me while you're at it.

Has it ever occured to you that rampant stereotyping of "liberals" based on the actions of a few in the public eye might not actually be correct?

The actions of a few in the public eye? Alright, let's hear it, then--which liberals are supportive of Christianity?

[Gnostic Yevon]

That wasn't whitewater. Whitewater was a land deal of some kind that was investigated and reported on four at least 6 years, even though they could never find any wrongdoing. That's why the conservatives decided to impeach the president for having an affair.

Wrong on both counts. 14 of Clinton's associates were convicted, although he let them take the fall for himself.
And Clinton was not impeached for having an affair either. He was impeached for perjury, suborning perjury, and obstruction of justice.

So wait a minute, clinton is still guilty even though we found evidence of "associates" doing things. Look had there been any way that clinton was involved in criminal activity, any one of these associates would have gladly taken a plea deal to testify against clinton. Or is he a Sith lord brainwashing them to the point where they are willing to spend years in jail rather than testify to clinton's guilt? I really don't think Clinton knows the jedi mind trick.

We don't do guilt by association in this country.

which pisses me off everytime some dumb conservative says that all christains are conservatives.I'm a christain and I'm liberal at that.

Maybe it's just that we have a hard time seeing how a Christian would support a faction so blatantly hostile towards Christians and Christianity.

Democrats aren't hostile to religion. They support some things Christians disagree with and some they agree with. heck most Catholics vote Democrat (at least here in St Louis), and probaby 85% or more of Democrats attend church on a regular basis.

Even the Ventura quotes mentioned by others. Saying that you don't believe in Christianity is not anti-christian any more than saying that I don't believe that Muhammad is a prophet somehow automatically makes me hostile to Islam. No, it makes me not a muslim to say I don't believe in Muhammad. Further, reporting that someone said something anti-muslim is not anti-muslim. It's doing you job. If you interview somebody and he says something about religion (esp. in the case of Ventura, something he was asked by Playboy, who was doing the interview), then you pretty much have to print the answer. Even if the answer is going to offend you. As far as Ventura, the authenticity thing may have been from other parts of his campaign. He had a reputation at the time of "shooting from the hip", saying what he really thought (about lots of things, not just religion). He was anti-death-penalty, and anti-jailtime for nonviolent drug abusers. In fact this is what ventura said about drugs

Nobody's ever been able to explain to me why we waste prison cells on drug addicts.

So at least some of the "blunt, maverick" comments could have been on other issues.

And if you want to talk about "slandering" presidents, if the media was liberal, why did all the charges by Republicans about Bill Clinton get so much coverage?

So much coverage? Hell, the friends of Gray Davis accusing Schwartzenegger of groping got more coverage than Mr. Fluffy Bunny's accusers--including CBS deliberately sitting on the credible rape accusation still standing against him. The LA Times brags that it had 9 reporters in Little Rock--but it had 27 on the groping 'story'.

Which is why Jennifer Flowers is a household name.

The "groping thing" lasted maybe a week. Clinton's accusations went on for probably at least 8 months.

Other than the memo CBS thing, there hasn't been any slander of Bush by the media.

And the other AWOL stories, and the Harken stories, and the attempts to link him to Enron, accusations that he was "rolling back" policy by delaying one of Clinton's last-day executive orders, claims that Bush's cousin 'won' Florida for him by accurately calling the state for Bush 5 hours after the polls were closed, etc., etc., etc.

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Amazingly I've never heard any of these charges. You must be reading some pretty far-left papers.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Myself, for one. You see, a vast majority of people in the United States, both liberal and conservative, are Christian. Being liberal is generally in support of social progressivism, whereas being conservative is in support of social traditionalism. Many Christians differ on certain opinions, but that doesn't necessarily make them anti-Christians. Most liberals actually are very much in support of religion, it's merely the influence of Christianity in government that troubles them, as the government should be a secular state. It's just the extremist talking heads that are anti-Christian, and you really only see the extremists on both sides in popular culture. Most Americans are fairly centrist and tolerant/apathetic.

[Shadow Nexus]

Redneck, you can throw as many data as you wish, that still dosen't proove any point. "Liberalism" as a whole contemplates a wide range of ways of thinking. The same way you start quoting people - most of whom I have never heard about, I guess it's North American journalists or politicians - I could anwser you with a thousand more quotes from other liberals defending religion. For example, I am Spanish, I have Leonard Cohen on my sig. I could tell you thirty names of people in Spain that love Leonard Cohen. Does that proove Spain loves Leonard Cohen? In fact, I could be considered a liberal (I never use that term to refer to myself, though)...does that mean liberals love Cohen too?

And I have nothing against Christians. I don't like the concept of organized religion, the same way I detest the concept of pre-fabricated ideologies and political dogma. But I have never been hostile to someone because of their religion. Does that mean I am not a liberal?

[nik0tine]

The Washington Post refers to Christians as "largely poor, uneducated, and easy to command."

I don't know about the poor and uneducated thing, but the "easy to command" is definetly the truth. (As the Republicans have proved over these past two elections)

As if liberalism has anything to do with equal treatment or tolerance?

Hahaha! Oh man, that's the best joke i've heard all week!!

The actions of a few in the public eye? Alright, let's hear it, then--which liberals are supportive of Christianity?

I am.

Anybody who gives what you posted even the most cursory examination will easily see that it was not in the slightest taken out of context--if you don't have a leg to stand on then by all means take your ball and go home, but there's no need to slander me while you're at it.

No, it was taken out of context. That isn't arguable. He said that it isn't very Christian to hate people for not following christian values. And that is just what Christians tend to do. Hate people, and then hide behind the Bible and use it as an excuse. Again, this is not arguable, because anybody who has grown up around christians and thier culture (and has half a brain) realizes this is true. (Although, not ALL christians do this. A good portion of them do though.)

We don't do guilt by association in this country.

Yes we do.

I am not sure what my stance on religion is at the moment. I am still trying to figure out what I believe. I however, do believe in alot of christian ideals. This is why I can't stand republicans. Everything they do (except for the gay marriage an abortion thing) tends to be anti christian. I must ask why all of these so called "christian" republicans support the death penalty? (Does "He who has not sinned may cast the first stone" ring a bell?) I realize that war isn't necessarily a republican thing, but how come so many republicans seem to support war so much? The Bible does not condone homosexuality, but it never once says that it is okay for christians to judge them. In fact, it says just the opposite. "Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself" (I don't know if that is word for word or not) So then, why is it that so many christian republicans are so hateful when it comes to gays?

People just use the Bible as an excuse to bash people. They use the Bible to try and hide behind absurd and cruel ideals. They use the Bible to excuse themselves for voting republican. By doing so, they contradict themselves a thousand times over, but it's not like half of them have even read the bible, right?

[edczxcvbnm]

nik0tine said it pretty well. The death penalty is something that has always made me wonder how they are pro life. Doesn't make sense. Then there is the war and the huge spending on miltary and arms that republicans do. That money could be used to do the Christian thing and help your fellow man. But wait. That would be evil socialism.

Most Christians that don't care about gay marriage realize that it isn't under God that these people would be married. It is under the state and it is for equal benifits. Abortion is a whole other battle entirely that will probably never be won by either side.

[eestlinc]

I'm not even arguing with someone who's taking what I said completely out of context.

Anybody who gives what you posted even the most cursory examination will easily see that it was not in the slightest taken out of context--if you don't have a leg to stand on then by all means take your ball and go home, but there's no need to slander me while you're at it.

That's not slander. Give it a rest, man.

Has it ever occured to you that rampant stereotyping of "liberals" based on the actions of a few in the public eye might not actually be correct?

The actions of a few in the public eye? Alright, let's hear it, then--which liberals are supportive of Christianity?

Do you really think liberals are opposed to Christianity by their very nature? If you do, then all the counter examples in the world won't make any difference. There are overwhelming numbers of Christians who practice Christianity to varying degrees of devotion. I am friends with many myself. Just to name one politician in the news currently, what about Senate minority leader Harry Reid? He's even pro-life.