Is the media liberal? Well, the media is basically a reflection of popular opinion. And if the majority of people are quite liberal; then that's going to be their opinion to get higher ratings/sell more papers. I tend to think that the media crafts their values to coincide with the majority. So, maybe they are getting more liberal, but isn't society as a whole getting more liberal?
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I just call it unemployment just like everyone else.
On the Dole? Like Bob Dole? :laugh:
Horrible, HORRIBLE image.On the Dole? Like Bob Dole?
Maybe, what's best for the country? What's best for the majority? What's morally right? What provides the most freedom, or most security? Novel idea, isn't it, that it's not the government's job to carry every sorry ass that can't support themselves? The Redneck doesn't want any help from the government--even if he could definitely use it--because he so rightly believes that it's not the responsibility of the government to redistribute the income of its citizens.Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Social Security is an extremely poor retirement fund. It's not any form of unemployment, it's for people who are retired and didn't set enough money aside through their entire working life (or don't have the pensions, etc.) to support them when they stop working. If any investment company set up a plan like Social Security, they would get shut down--but when the government does it, it's forced. Obviously you don't know much about Social Security, yet you still insist on making an attempt to discuss it. This is a not uncommon tactic for you, granted, but it's a bad habit.social security is for people who don't have a job. so lets for a minute take it away. you lose your job. you struggle getting a new one. now what? where does your money come from? what do your children eat?
A safety net, yes. A hammock, no. Welfare (dole) was created as a safety net, but has developed into a hammock. By the way, of a husband leaves a wife with three kids, then there is always child support and alimony that's collected from the husband anyway, to help out his ex-wife. I don't think too many people on Social Security have to worry about their husbands leaving them with three children.or if you have an incoming-outgoing problem. for instance if your husband leaves you with 3 children to support. you suffer a debt problem. then what happens to these people? they need a safety net.
Welfare is abused, yes, on an extreme scale. Social Security is abused on a large scale as well, but only by politicians. For instance, ever heard of the "Social Security Trust Fund" or "Lock Box"? It doesn't exist. The only way that can keep paying out SS benefits is to keep collecting SS funds (by force, of course) from America's working class. And no, it's not inevitable, it's preventable. The only problem is that anybody who crusades to end Welfare abuse is made out to be cruel and evil and unwilling to help those in need, while anybody who tries to help straighten out Social Security is labeled as somebody who hates or doesn't care if our old people starve. Mainly, typical labels for Republicans.yes maybe the systemis abused more than it should be. but that is inevitable.
Congratulations. I am glad that you live in another country, because I agree with that last statement--where one goes in life should be determined by their merits and work ethic, and nothing else. Nothing else, like how much money they can suck off the government. Therefore, again, I am glad you live in another country, because that means that less of my tax dollars are going to support people who don't support themselves.but for people like me. government aid has got me to where i am today. it has done as the liberals promised and picked me up. i i believe more than any american live in a land of opportunity. where what i can acheive in life is not decided on the size of my or my parents bank account but purely by my merits.
It's the truth. Sorry if you don't like it--seems to be another bad habit of yours--but that's the way it is. And it doesn't regard everybody that "can't support themself for whatever reason"--there are exceptions, which I pointed out in that post. Disabilities and handicaps, and the like--and no, that doesn't include "disabilities" like alcoholism.ps. you last line sasquatch is hugely morally dubious. to say that if someone can't support themself for whatever reason isn't worth life is frankly disgusting and i would wish a retraction.
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sasquatch i already said i mistakenly called the dole (or the brew as some call it) social security.
it was a mistake in americanisms. so we are talking about the dole here.
skipping on as alot of sasquatchs's post was base don mistake. we shall move to the last two paragraphs.
i'll tell you something. i have "sucked" alot of money from the government. i went to public school as my parents could not afford private. i received nhs treatment ALOT for various problems, i would hate to imagine the cost. it probably saved my life, it certainly saved my family from poverty. i'm going to a top univeristy. one that my parents could not afford. i'm going because i achieved good enough grades to get there. the rest of my life will hopefully be boosted for this. what i achieve will have been aided my government.
so sasquatch. i ask again. is my future? my education? even my actual existence and life, theft? would you rather me dead than having my fellow country men pay taxes? if i was in your country would you have me die to get back that cent in a dollar?
your last line on the seond graph is hypocrtical agsainst your first sentence of the post. what are you really concerned for? your country? your fellow country men? or your own money and taxes?
the defence of the idea that people who cannot support themselves deserve to die? that's a new low. my family could not have supported themself with the difficulties i had. would you shoot them? did they not work hard enough for you? would you put that gun against my head and pull the trigger for being a drain? it's sickening to think that you really care this much for your own pocket that you would go as far to say people deserve to die for it.
though your country exercises this at a rate of 1 every 3 second anyway. so i am not suprised.
there was another country in the past which believed in killing drains on society..... but i never realised sasquatch you would believe in Arbeit Macht Frei.
PRetty much Sas your basicly telling people that if they can't support themselves they dont deserve to live.WEll when my dad left my mom she had two kids me and my sis and we were dirt pooooor.MY mom was on welfare for a few years but once she was able to get her degreee she got out of poverty and that doesnt change the fact that she had to depend on welfare and work 4 jobs to take care of me and my sis.
People who never lived in poverty will always think its some random loser mooching off of welfare.Man please.......
BTW cloud what university are you going to?
I know what it's like to be on welfare, my mother and I were in a very long court battle now think my mother is a nurse she makes good money right? Well the court battle stripped us of everything we owned. Now this court battle was with another family member not like some malpractice case or anything like that. I had lived in the same house my entire life 7 years and we had to be on welfare for 2 people we were getting 64 dollars a month to live on. Almost impossible to have anything good at all. During the 5 years we were on it my mother kept trying to find nursing jobs but the area we were in there wasn't much at all in the way of jobs let alone nursing jobs. She finally got one and found us another house and finally got us off of welfare. Not everyone on welfare is on it because they won't work or they won't take care of themselves, they do it because they have no other choices sometimes so then what do you do still say their not worth living?
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THANK YOU!!! I live with my grandma, and she worked full time (until she was injured) and got welfare. Think we were living in luxury?Not everyone on welfare is on it because they won't work or they won't take care of themselves, they do it because they have no other choices sometimes so then what do you do still say their not worth living?
lb, i'm going to glasgow university to study computing science (will be software engineering in my 3rd year), maths (will be dropped after my first year), and philosophy (not usre if i'll take it beyond my 2nd year or not yet)
yeah that's really all i had to post because this topic seems to be reaching a concensus.
I will say again. It is my responsibility, and mine alone, to support me. It is your responsibility, and yours alone, to support you. If you have something you can't help--some types of health problems, disabilities, handicaps, etc.--then I believe it's the right thing to do, and should be done, to help you make it through and support yourself, and I'd be glad to chip in for that. If somebody makes good grades and such through school, there are plenty of scholarships and such that will help those people out. Good for you, you're going to a college. My parents aren't paying a damn thing towards my college either, so I have to pay for it all myself. But there's a difference in joining the military and getting deployed for a year, then coming back with enough money to start college, and deciding that you should have your college pay for and give no more back to the government. I'm giving them six (or more) years of my life, they're giving me an education, and we're both happy. I'm not a leech, I'm not sucking the government's (taxpayers') teat so I can get what I think I deserve. As I have said many times before, I don't have any problem with helping to support people who honestly can't make enough money to support their family. It's the people who choose not to work hard enough that I get pissed that I have to pay for.
However, also keep in mind, there's a difference between collecting welfare and collecting unemployment.
I feel the same way about my tax dollars going to the military, wars, ect...sucks not to have a choice eh? =/
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why should i and peole like me get any less chances in life (as far as education goes) because of what my parents have or have not done in their life. lets say their are two equal people. both got equal grades in the same subjects. they were gooe dnough to get them into university but not quite good enough to get them a scholarship. boy a has rich parents. he can go to university because his parents will pay for it. he may have went to a private school, had private tuition, had more expensive books etc. he had a better education because his parents were rich. so lets look at boy b. he comes from a poor family. he went to a state school. his parents can't afford to send him to uni. his grades were the same as boy a but he can't go purely on the basis of the richness of his parents. he may have even worked harder. he may not have had private tuition, private school, he may not have been able to buy all those books for his exams. he may have overcame more difficulties. but he will not be getting into university because his parents cannot afford it.
in oder for boy b to get into university he will have had to have get better grades than boy a in order to gain a scholarship.
the lesson? the poor have to work harder than the rich to get the same oppurtunities even if they are equal or better than them.
why should boy b not be allowed to go to university?
and i am not leeching or sponging of the state. i am in the position of boy b thank you very much. and secondly. it is in fact a long term investment by the government. with a degree i will be able to get a better job, that earns more money, if i earn more money i will be paying more tax, which will pay back the government what i have used to get that far in my life, it will also pay for other people to get the same oppurtunites i have so they can do the same.
THANK YOU. VERY MUCH.
And the idea that most liberals claim, upon hearing an honest fact, their usual philosophical "Well, you can't change it, no one can, we have no power, we humans are weak". It's nice to hear objective reality playing a part in life.
A. How did Boy A's parents get rich? Why is it that Boy A's parents planned for their future, and their child's future, and have enough money to send their boy to further education when he's old enough, while parents of Boy B didn't do what they needed to be financially secure enough to help out their kid? I'm sure if my parents had more money, they'd gladly help my siblings and me with our college (as most parents would), but because of some financial mistakes they made long ago, they don't have that opportunity--which is one reason I joined the Army, so that I'd have more money for college. I realize that I do and will have to work my ass off for my college education, and I accept that--I certainly don't expect the government to step in and say, "hey, you haven't done a damn thing to deserve this, but here, it's on us." I realize we don't deserve government handouts, don't expect them, and wouldn't accept them...apparently, Cloud 9, that's where we differ. I refuse to suck the state tit like a calf, and would rather work for and earn what I have.
B. Boy B has to do what most everybody else does--get a damn job, and make enough money to work their way through college. The lady I'm interested in works 80+ hours a week so that come fall, she'll have enough money for her college. When she was still in college, she worked more than 40 hours a week.
C. Because Mommy and Daddy can't pay for it, that doesn't mean somebody should--it means we shouldn't have to rely on anybody but ourselves.
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