Liberal Media?

[DarkLadyNyara]

A religious idiot is particularily easy to control because all you have to do is use the word "bible" (or well, anything he or she associates with thier religion.) And they tend to back whatever the issue is, one hundred percent, with no thought whatsoever. Religion is manipulated so that leaders can get the people to follow blindly. (More often than not, what the leader is trying to accomplish is anything but religious)

9/11 is a prime example of that.

(How come we don't hear about the "religious left"?)

I've been wanting to use this quote for quite some time, and I just got an opening.

The religious left died on a cross two-thousand years ago.

Really, though. By the standards of his time, Jesus was a liberal.

[fire_of_avalon]

I honestly wonder sometimes if anyone in here pays attention to their own arguments. You can't argue that all conservatives behave in a certain way or all liberals behave in a certain way or all Christians behave a certain way. I think that a lot of people need to get out from under their pre-constructed views of how the people function in the real world and actually go out to meet people around you.

And I'll say it again, media slant is influenced only by the type of media you choose to observe. Using all these examples of liberal media institutions or conservative media institutions doesn't prove a damn thing, it just means that there DO exist institutions that DO have a certain bias. But that's true in ALL cases.

With an industry as varied and huge as the media industry is, it is impossible to say anything about 100% verifiably true about it.

[DarkLadyNyara]

Fire-of-avalon : point taken, and well said.

[edczxcvbnm]

Fire of Avalon: Well, DUUUUH!

[fire_of_avalon]

If it's so obvious then explain to me why you all continue to argue about it like it matters?

[The Redneck]

I expected you to reply to that message in the way that you did. As usual, you took something that you find to be offensive, and tried to turn it into something anti christian. Sorry, but im not about to let that tactic work against me.

Something that I find to be offensive? Well, I did, but note that you were explicitly referring to Christians with both those comments--there was no need to "turn" it into something anti-Christian. Sorry, but it already worked--and you did the work on it.

Then what are you saying? That you lack common knowledge of what you claim to support? That you've never heard of that thing called the death penalty?ZODKMSGOGMSGPSGMGPMP!~!~

And this has what to do with whether or not your quote was taken out of context?

And again, you need to pickup your dictonary...you need to look up liberal and you also need to look up slander (which is what you've done to me every single time you've ever quoted me from what I can recall).

Examples? Proof? Some shred of something resembling evidence?

I don't get how people like you can just throw every single last person who happens to be a free thinker and not agree with you into a big bucket and stamp "antichristian liberals" across it

That's because it doesn't happen--well there are probably other reasons you can't understand it, but I'm not allowed to mention them on this forum. Note that I'm actually bringing forth evidence of these antichristian liberals--quotes from them and such. Or did you miss that part?

You yell at liberals for supporting abortion because it's killing and you're "pro-life", then you turn around and support the death penalty and shooting people dead.

I would hope that you can see the difference between putting convicted murderers to death and killing infants because they'd be an inconvenience. If not, don't worry--there are folks who can.

You yell at them for being supposedly "anti-christian"

Supposedly? "a crutch for weak-minded people" is supposedly anti-Christian? Have you even been reading this post?

Just because someone isn't Christian and doesn't agree with it thus wanting things that conflict with it hardly makes them anti-Christian.

See above.

Well your voting record doesn't show you are christian either and nor do your beliefs. Support of the death penalty, wars, the intolorance of others beliefs, the flat tax and other things(I admit I am streaching this one but if we are suppose to give up riches and possesions in order to help those less fotunate then we should sky rocket the tax on the rich).

Support of the flat tax is against christianity? Strange, I seem to remember the Bible being against theft....

sasquatch you seem to forget mary magdalane. is she the poor you talk of? the pregnant teen drug user? and tell me what jesus did when he say a prostitute about to being stoned did he rmark to her "and it's their own damn fault anyway" no he didn't.

I remember something about "go your way and sin no more"--and I don't remember anything about it being their fault that she was poor. In fact, I don't remember anything at all about her being poor, so I don't see why you're bringing it into play here.

did jesus talk about sharing the wealth? yes.

But He didn't talk about stealing the guy's wealth and sharing it on his behalf.

did he talk about redeeming the sinner? yes.

But He didn't talk about welcoming the sin.

did he tear down the temple full of gold? yes.

No. He drove moneylenders out of the temple, not tore it down.

did he touch the unclean (leper)? yes.

Because conservatives don't ever touch lepers....

did he feed the hungry? yes.

But not with stolen money.

modern liberalism is the true emergence of the new testament.

Modern liberalism is antithetical to everything in the New Testament--which is why it's so hostile to it.

would jesus have said that welfare was theft?

You take money away from someone by force, spend most of it on yourself, and throw a few scraps someone else's way.... yes, He would.

there is no question there really is there.

Not at all.

And how come being against forcing us to recognize an illicit relationship as a legitimate marriage means we want to "impose religion on you", but forcing someone to give money away isn't "imposing" anything?

And I'll say it again, media slant is influenced only by the type of media you choose to observe. Using all these examples of liberal media institutions or conservative media institutions doesn't prove a damn thing, it just means that there DO exist institutions that DO have a certain bias. But that's true in ALL cases.

And actually, that's fine. There are many people--including myself--who say that when you spend so much time observing events, you can't help but form opinions (often strong opinions) on what you see. The problem is that if you're bearing a bias, you need to admit it, rather than pretending you're delivering an objective, non-biased observation.

[DarkLadyNyara]

And how come being against forcing us to recognize an illicit relationship as a legitimate marriage means we want to "impose religion on you",

Um.. because "illicit relationship" is a religious judgement. Civil marriage, on the other hand, is not a religious issue.

[edczxcvbnm]

If it's so obvious then explain to me why you all continue to argue about it like it matters?

Because argueing is fun...at least to me it is.

[Cloud No.9]

jesus tore down a temple upon his death as well.

how is liberalism opposed to christianity? what manifesto declares this? liberalism is a politcal idea not a religious one. it thinks without judgement from or against religion.

the point with mary magdalane was that it was her fault. but she was forgiven, redeemed and taken in. the same should be done with people that you claim deserve their poverty.

if you want a controversial comment about the death penalty and abortion being similar. wouldn't abortion simply be the death penalty for the original sin?

there are two quote from the bible that most christains forget the most yet are the most important "take the plank out of your own eye before you point out the splinter in another's" and "when i man slaps you, turn the other cheek" i know they are not direct quotes.

politics should always always always be not influenced by religion at all. it should be done for the good of mankind not for any kind of religious pressure groups or beliefs. you cannot go round trying to please all the christians all the time. you cannot base poltics on religion. it should go beyond that while still holding the upmost of morality.

[DarkLadyNyara]

if you want a controversial comment about the death penalty and abortion being similar. wouldn't abortion simply be the death penalty for the original sin?

Heh heh. I'm gonna have to use that one.

[The Redneck]

jesus tore down a temple upon his death as well.

And the chapter and verse describing this event would be.....?

how is liberalism opposed to christianity? what manifesto declares this?

Funny you should word it like that... The first Manifesto defining liberalism advocates the abolishment of Christianity.

the point with mary magdalane was that it was her fault. but she was forgiven, redeemed and taken in.

Wierd--and it looked to me like He stopped them from killing her and told her to quit sinning.

the same should be done with people that you claim deserve their poverty.

You do see the difference between "Hey, don't kill her" and "you must give up what you own to support her whether or not she wants to work--oh, and you have to let Me handle the money, too, and can't whine if about three-quarters of it comes up missing," right? Please tell me you see the difference, there....

if you want a controversial comment about the death penalty and abortion being similar.

I always preferred calling the more obvious forms of infanticide a "fourth-trimester abortion".

there are two quote from the bible that most christains forget the most yet are the most important "take the plank out of your own eye before you point out the splinter in another's"

Which means, of course, that we can't ever speak about what someone else does, right?

politics should always always always be not influenced by religion at all. it should be done for the good of mankind not for any kind of religious pressure groups or beliefs.

Yeah, because religious beliefs don't have anything to do with the good of mankind or any of that happy fuzzy stuff. So influence by the most wierd-ass political theory you can think of is apparently fine, but if you check the Bible before deciding how to vote you're screwing up politics? Your bias is showin', there....

[lordblazer]

Polticis rednecka nd politicians both liberal and conservatives.Shouldn't have too much religious influence to the point where they start hiding behind a religion to control the masses.

1.Politicians should never be trusted.
2.Especially when they always use the religious card.
3.Liberal or conservative.doesnt matter you can still be in a religion and pratice politics seperate form religion(were it should be).

Onc eoyu understand that then you see how corrupt the world is.Thats why Jesus couldn't create a kingdom of earth because a kingdom of earth would become corrupt and fall one day.While a Kingdom Of Heaven will last forever.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Funny you should word it like that... The first Manifesto defining liberalism advocates the abolishment of Christianity.

That's a load of crock. Most liberals couldn't care less about Christianity, or any religion for that matter, so long as it stays out of government, as well it should. Only the extremists want to abolish Christianity, and they're more fascist than anything else.

[ShunNakamura]

lib·er·al P Pronunciation Key (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
Archaic. Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
Obsolete. Morally unrestrained; licentious.

n.
A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
Liberal A member of a Liberal political party

and

liberal

adj 1: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions" [syn: broad, large-minded, tolerant] 2: having political or social views favoring reform and progress 3: tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative] 4: given or giving freely; "was a big tipper"; "the bounteous goodness of God"; "bountiful compliments"; "a freehanded host"; "a handsome allowance"; "Saturday's child is loving and giving"; "a liberal backer of the arts"; "a munificent gift"; "her fond and openhanded grandfather" [syn: big, bighearted, bounteous, bountiful, freehanded, handsome, giving, openhanded] 5: not literal; "a loose interpretation of what she had been told"; "a free translation of the poem" [syn: free, loose] n 1: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties [syn: progressive] [ant: conservative] 2: a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets

Also

lib·er·al·ism P Pronunciation Key (lbr--lzm, lbr-)
n.
The state or quality of being liberal.
A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.

Liberalism
A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.

as well as

liberalism

n 1: a political orientation that favors progress and reform 2: an economic theory advocating free competition and a self-regulating market and the gold standard

I am certian that I got enough definitions to assume that all that "liberal" means is that one is open minded and willing to accept change. Also

"Liberalism[:] A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology," sure doesn't sound like it is trying to tear down christianity.

What the problem is, is that people claim to be liberal when they truely are not... it is the same with Christianity and almost any other label.

[lordblazer]

DMKA, give it up, you're outdone.

This all boils down to what can be considered Christianity. A lot of people will say they're Christian, hell maybe even go to church once a week. But liberalism and support of Biblical values are contradictory, as The Redneck has pointed out. Homosexual marriage, abortion, school vouchers, "welfare" (i.e. stealing my money to give to somebody that isn't much worse off than I am, and it's their own damn fault anyway), and more and more. (By the way, I support welfare, but only for the people that need it--it's not our responsibility to support poor people, it's theirs, we might just need to help 'em out...and by the way, a very large percentage of people on welfare are there because they turned to drugs and/or alcohol, or simply were too damn lazy to make anything of themselves. Not because thier husband left them with four children she can't support. Just like--and this may surprise you too--the majority of strippers really aren't just trying to support their young children and working their way through college.)

Anyway, like I was saying, it depends on what people would consider "Christian". If I say I'm a communist, but don't support any Communist ideals or principles, am I really a Communist? If I say I'm a liberal, but support only conservative policies, am I really a liberal? Is somebody who says they're Christian, but doesn't let any Christian beliefs show in their voting or support, really a Christian, or are they just hiding behind religion, doing the same thing they accuse others of doing? And should these people be grouped in with the rest of "Christianity" or the "religious right"? (How come we don't hear about the "religious left"?)

nik0tine, you started off by saying you're a liberal "Christian", then went on to badmouth Christians, saying we're easy to control and that we hate people and hide behind the Bible. While it is not my place to question your faith, and that's not what I'm doing, you are a prime example of the people that lead people to think Christianity is not a partisan religion. If anybody truly believed the Bible--and no, I'm not talking about hiding behind it, I'm talking about believing it--they would go nowhere near modern liberalism.

Sasquach.Explain how if a christain goes near modern liberalism then explain to me how thats anti-christain?

I'm a christian btw and really i dont see how
1.advancement in society
2.social programs
3.and BTW there will always be mothers who was left iwth 4 kids who depends on welfare.MY cousin was one of them.Her husband was crazy he jsut does all this stuff ro her then leaves.LEaves her with 4 kids.But yeah that never happens liek you said,

And your jsut bad mouthing christains yourself by saying christain values and views on the poor is

"its your own damn fault"

Thats a damn insult and that contradicts christainity if anything the leaders int eh republican party is evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvviiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

Liberalism falls closer towards christainity .,