Put in account that those people most likely got those form a friend thats most likely poor our bought it from smugglers.
And that friend managed to get their own name on it?

And the fact that your saying ii'm casting it aside hell no F that.I dont to sit here and let you say that.It doesn't leave but when it comes to looking at these policticians and how they are acting.They dont even think of god.even when they sosay so
In that case, what you have is a dishonest politician. The answer to that is better, unfettered media to report such things, not demanding that people keep the most important thing in their lives out of an issue.

YOu know what politics is.Politics has never been for the greater good of people even when it hides behind a religion.
Politics is a method. It's the method that brought us the "War on Poverty", free needles, abortion, and a whole other host of ills--but it's also brought us tax cuts, removal of various regulations, and our Constitution and Bill of Rights itself.

oh and BTW China still has christains.Yeah so what that they are being prosecuted
Stuck in slave-labor camps for the crime of being Christian. "so what"?

no christain church here does anything to help them you notice that?
http://www.persecution.org/newsite/index.php
http://persecution.com/
http://www.christianpersecution.info/
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_pers.htm (and a display of their evenhandedness and "tolerance" by blaming persecution of Christians on "followers of majority religions")
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/003/6.46.html

And I could as easily list three dozen more. In other words, before you accuse someone of something you should have some clue what the hell you're talking about--and you clearly don't. Maybe you and Cloud 9 should discuss how Chinese persecution of Christians ties in with the US's genocide in Africa?

And our out of your right mind to think that taxes "steal" money.
Actually I'm displaying the simple facts of the matter. Either you pay it or someone comes to your house with a gun to get it. That's a form of theft.

TO goto someone oyu think is waaaaaay better off than you do.
Actually, to first have about three-quarters of it lost in the works. Then to go to someone I know is way better off than me.

Taxes goes into a lot of things
Yup. Welfare, the National Endowment for the Arts, the IRS, midnight basketball, pork-barrel projects of every size and description--that's one of the reasons they're bad.


and if you were truly a christain wouldn't you speak out against the death penalty
Because real Christians want to see repeat-murders.

and speak out against how prisons recieve more fundings form tax dollars than schools do?
Actually, I do. Prisons get far more money than they should--Cable TV, weight rooms, free college... I could have gotten a better college education by robbing a bank than I did by joining the Army.

On the other hand, I don't think schools should get a dime from the government. For the government to indoctrinate our kids is bad enough, but to do it with our money is adding insult to injury.

And where is your justification that "if I was truly a Christian" I'd advocate going light on criminals and government indoctrination for our kids?

"They" meaning all liberals? Give me a break. That's the extremist minority.
The New York Times is an extremist minority? Jesse Jackson? Time Magazine? Newsweek

Those would be despots, not liberals. There's quite a difference.
First, they were not just despots, they were Communists (yes, real Communists). And liberalism is simply watered-down communism.
Second, I was pointing out that it was possible, not who's doing it.

okay lets think about what would happen if we got rid of these taxes which people count as theft.
Including the explosion of prosperity once everyone actually has a right to what they earn?

upon doing this. where does your army that defends you get it's money?
Herein, it may be necessary to explain further. While taxes are, by their very nature, theft, there are indeed times when it's necessary--i.e., to carry out those functions which the government actually has the duty and the right to carry out. A military is one of those--although the federal government has overstepped its bounds by federalizing each state's National Guard.

he school to educate you and your children?
The one that's being left in the dust by private and charter schools that have a lot less money to operate with? Public education is a neat idea, but after seeing public housing, I think I'll pass.

the roads which you drive on?
Another of the functions which government is actually responsible for--despite this, in many area gas taxes (which, in theory, pay for the roads) are abysmal, and the roads absolutely blow.

the water that you drink? the hositals that treat you? rubbish collection?
We don't get these from the government. And seeing how well the government does things, I hope they stay out of the business.

the pension that you get?
Nor do pensions come from the government. Unless your speaking of Social Security, and if you're claiming a system so flawed it's guaranteed to fail before any of us get a dime from it as one of the government's accomplishments, then you're really reachin'.

your politicians and diplomats?
What a horrible thought, that we might end up with less of those...

the police on your street?
A third--but not paid for by federal taxes. The town, county, or state covers these.

customs and security?
These are for collecting taxes, not paid for by them.

he orphangage and social services?
Orphanages are paid for by charitable organizations, not the government. Same with social services--those that the government does pay for are invariably wasteful, bloated, and unnecessary.

nasa?
Its job is being done by private companies already.

this liassez fair attitude that america currently had is dead in this country.
That's why America is blowing your country out of the water.

you cannot leave these things to churches and private groups to do. you need something solid that will always be there for someone to fall back on.
Because when you want somebody you can depend on, then forget about God--go to a politician.

ep the whole world would be better without those damn taxes. all the money i would have. yeah but when i got sick or assualted or when i want to go to uni or when i'm old o every tuesday when my rubbih gets collected or need a drink or want to drive that isn't invaded or in anarchy.
Yeah, because the government needs more than half of what you make to provide all those services that it doesn't provide anyway.

of course charity money will rise faster if people have more to money to flash around. but not all of it so some was kept for that nice new thing you just couldn't afford.
You mean some of these people would actually spend some of the money they earn on themselves? Oh, we can't have that!

but that was not the question.
Actually, the question was "are people who are against tax and saying that it is theft honstly telling me that if they weren't taxed they would give their money to chairty, the poor and good causes?"--which is why I answered by noting that when they were taxed less, they gave more to charity. Or in other words--yes. I've explained this already.

and yes you should pretend it's right.
You're serious, aren't you?

it's not your duty on this earth to say it isn't. if it is a sin then justice will be done by your god not by you. if god is the ultimate judge let him judge do not do it by proxy.
And, of course, speaking of God's judgement is oh-so-awful, because instead He should just open up the clouds and shout "Suck the ****, lose the kingdom!" When the rain comes, can I say "it's raining", or would that be "judging" the weather?

abortion could be debate endlessly. but if it was outlawed and mothers did not want their children then possibly abuse deaths would rise. neglect would rise.
These children might be hurt or even killed later in life--so let's just squikk 'em now, and save 'em from all that.

yes adoption is possible. but care homes are stretched enough as it is. yes they could be alot better with funding but then people would only whine on about taxes.
Because nobody but the government takes care of kids....

no matter what age, country or condition there is no way to force a woman to be a mother.
Well, it's a good thing you feel that way.

Now, if we could get back to the subject at hand for a moment, nobody's forcing anyone to become a mother. I'm talking about preventing a mother from killing her kids.

But if we're ever struck by a plague, and the government passes a law that for the continuation of the human race every woman has to have at least three kids, then at least we know your feelings on the matter.