first of all regarding the death sentence. it is writenn in the ten commandments. "thou shall not kill". that is the end of it. it applies to everyone. no matter who wants to play god. "there is no god but the one true god"

basicly those opposed to taxes are only opposed to the taxes they don't use. it's the old "it's mine" thing. so the army and roads are okay but helping poor folk out. that's a big no no.

the rich man will always dislike helping the poor, educating them, feeding them whe it is required, housing them.

tut tut tut redneck. there would be no explosion in prosperirty. you said yourself charitable donations should rise. and if all things being equal and fair then noone would be better off because they were spening it on charity and on all the things they would need to buy because the government doesn't do it any more. you know like being educated and literate and all that non essential stuff.

redneck we can tell you are a rich man. privately educated, privately nursed, never needed the welfare state. which explains why you cannot see the benefit of the welfare state.

and in my country all of those listed are paid for by the government. should i ever need it i am looked after from the cradle to the grave. water, nhs, rubbish collection, pensions, (customs and security protect your border and prevent smuggling), orphanges here are paid for publcly we got out of that old dicken's like habit 100 years ago.

america is not blowing my country out of the water. it is bigger and more powerful but the economy is weak and falling.

i cannot ask god and the church to treat me i ask the state to do that. i could try asking god. but i some what doubt that some define intervention would cure me. i don't need that opiate.

i was taught in a state school, received nhs treatment for all that ailed me, free dental, optical and prescriptions. in spetember i'll be going to university for free courtesy of my government. i'll be living in subsidised accomadation, using a subsidised gym, buying subsidised books, using the free libary and computers. while i'm there i will need support as i am disabled. so that will all be paid for as well. where would i have been without all the government aid? well i would be in a private school, the closest one is 50 miles away. i would have had to pay for every time i went to the doctor, had my eyes and teeth checked and treated and for all the prescriptions. my family would not have been able to afford to send me to uni. i would have left school in my 4th year of secondary education and been in a dead end job.

and look at my country's rail system if you want to see what happens when you privatize something. what happened during the two great wars? everything was taken over by the government. why? because it needed to be more effecient for a war economy.

people have no right to complain to me about the welfare state. because lets face it. with a degree i will make more money. so i will pay for their pensions, that hip replacement, that glucoma treatment, funeral costs. i earn more i pay a bigger amount. and help the next generation too and hopefully they will get the chances i have got. and so we go around and around.

the only people that do not appreciate the welfare state are those that are too rich to use it. yes redneck that's you. if you were taught in a private school, received private hospital treatment. you are a far richer man than i am.

yes i am serious redneck. you cannot play judge if you believe there is a superior one to you. it is not god's judgement it is your own. god's judgement is not for you to talk upon. it is done when people go to hell. you cannot judge lest you be judged. and you cannot throw the first stone. leave it to god and saint peter.

have you ever wondered what would happen if you forced a mother to have a child by preventing abortion? would she love it? take care of it? not neglect it?

redneck do not be hypocritical. in previous posts you talked about "burger flippers" negatively. now do not turn them into some great career for those who have sinned.

let me explain the water down communism thing. there exists two wings in politics. the left and right. there is extreme and modrate of each. extreme left would be communism. extreme right would be fasicism. you come down a little from each extreme you come to the more moderate ideas. come down ever further and you hit the centre. it's a sliding scale on both sides.