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[ShunNakamura]

Nik there is a reason I was saying my area as often as possible. Here almost all of the rural public schools fare well educationally.. though sometimes they have to shut down sports or musical programs due to lack of money. In fact I believe one rural school had to shut down busing.. but educationally they still aren't too bad.

I don't know if you have gone ot a rural public school but.. lets put it this way. I was in a large class. there were 34 or so of of us. the class of 2005. the next class has 28 I believe. Our teacher per student ratio is about 5-15 students sometimes less or larger depending on the class subject.. though we had a boom a while back so that may soon change.

And trust me... if you heard about our local private school.. you'd your pants. Yes they have more money.. they get new books every year or every other year(we have used the same english books since 1968). Now.. they should easily out perform us, No? Nope they don't .. no where near. And it isn't that only stupid kids go there.. I know some really smart kids who go there... but the teachers dont' teach well. I think it was said they have 1 decent teacher in the entire system. We may have one bad teacher in the whole system. Our teachers get to school early and stay late in order to help students, and most of them have to commute. The old Lady as we call her gets here at 7:15AM(school starts at 8:30AM) and leaves at about 5-6PM(school ends at 3:10) sometimes later if the student still needs help. In fact some of the teachers tell us if we need help on a weekend, we should go over to their house and ask. or call them and ask.

K? Our building may be falling down around our ears.. we have a poor heating system(still have to wear sweaters in many classes) and no cooling system(try studying at 90-100+ degrees.. ain't fun(thank goodness it didn't get that hot this year)). Oh yes our water comes out rust colored, and our floors are warped.. the steps are shrunken and warped, and many of our lockers have seen better days. But you know what.. we still learn. and we learn fast. Our teachers will pay for trips out of thier own pockets.

Public schools while in dismal shape are not as pathetic as some seem to make them.. or at least they aren't in my area.. all of our local schools(particually rural schools) fare nice(though some worse then others).

Disclaimer my village is lucky if it has 2000 ppl in it.. and that is mostly made up of old couples who have lived here much of thier lives. Our entire highschool(also houses jr. high) is smaller then some schools grad class.(entire high school is at most 200 ppl... which gives you a max average class size of 34 people.. which is close to right since mr. boom class is our 7th grade class).

Disclamer 2- while we are one of the smaller schools.. we are not the smallest.

missed some

Five bucks says you'd get away with it.

well even if the moderators let me get away with it.. it wouldn't rest well on my consiounce(and I just butchered that spelling)

You do realize that public schooling requires tax money? That money doesn't just flow out of the government... well, it does, but it comes from somewhere else first. You get rid of the public schools and give the money back to the people paying it, so they can educate their children.

Hmm.. but does that tax refund(just from the school mind) come anywhere near the cost of the private school. I'll use our local private school since it is the one I konw most about. I believe it is 3k to 4k a year to attend(as much as our local college(which is why I remembered the numbers). However that does not include the clothes. One must where khakis and dress shirts everyday. Not sure what that comes to.. but I know our local store sells khakis at more then the amount of bluejeans... and I already spend a hell of a lot on Blue jeans alone.. not to mention dress shirts are fairly expensive(20-30$ a shirt, easily).

So lets just say about 4k-5k a year(including all expenses, cause lunch is not included in the tuition). now I seriousally doubt we would get anywhere near that amount back.. considering dad makes as little as he does.. that is at the least 1/6 of his pay(completely untaxed pay) take in grocieries.. and such and we barely break even now.. actually we dont' break even if you think we should have 3 meals a day.. we eat once maybe twice a day(if we are lucky) when school is out.

Anyways... basically I much prefer our area's public schools to private schools and so does my dad(and he went to a private school).

[Cloud No.9]

first of all regarding the death sentence. it is writenn in the ten commandments. "thou shall not kill". that is the end of it. it applies to everyone. no matter who wants to play god. "there is no god but the one true god"

basicly those opposed to taxes are only opposed to the taxes they don't use. it's the old "it's mine" thing. so the army and roads are okay but helping poor folk out. that's a big no no.

the rich man will always dislike helping the poor, educating them, feeding them whe it is required, housing them.

tut tut tut redneck. there would be no explosion in prosperirty. you said yourself charitable donations should rise. and if all things being equal and fair then noone would be better off because they were spening it on charity and on all the things they would need to buy because the government doesn't do it any more. you know like being educated and literate and all that non essential stuff.

redneck we can tell you are a rich man. privately educated, privately nursed, never needed the welfare state. which explains why you cannot see the benefit of the welfare state.

and in my country all of those listed are paid for by the government. should i ever need it i am looked after from the cradle to the grave. water, nhs, rubbish collection, pensions, (customs and security protect your border and prevent smuggling), orphanges here are paid for publcly we got out of that old dicken's like habit 100 years ago.

america is not blowing my country out of the water. it is bigger and more powerful but the economy is weak and falling.

i cannot ask god and the church to treat me i ask the state to do that. i could try asking god. but i some what doubt that some define intervention would cure me. i don't need that opiate.

i was taught in a state school, received nhs treatment for all that ailed me, free dental, optical and prescriptions. in spetember i'll be going to university for free courtesy of my government. i'll be living in subsidised accomadation, using a subsidised gym, buying subsidised books, using the free libary and computers. while i'm there i will need support as i am disabled. so that will all be paid for as well. where would i have been without all the government aid? well i would be in a private school, the closest one is 50 miles away. i would have had to pay for every time i went to the doctor, had my eyes and teeth checked and treated and for all the prescriptions. my family would not have been able to afford to send me to uni. i would have left school in my 4th year of secondary education and been in a dead end job.

and look at my country's rail system if you want to see what happens when you privatize something. what happened during the two great wars? everything was taken over by the government. why? because it needed to be more effecient for a war economy.

people have no right to complain to me about the welfare state. because lets face it. with a degree i will make more money. so i will pay for their pensions, that hip replacement, that glucoma treatment, funeral costs. i earn more i pay a bigger amount. and help the next generation too and hopefully they will get the chances i have got. and so we go around and around.

the only people that do not appreciate the welfare state are those that are too rich to use it. yes redneck that's you. if you were taught in a private school, received private hospital treatment. you are a far richer man than i am.

yes i am serious redneck. you cannot play judge if you believe there is a superior one to you. it is not god's judgement it is your own. god's judgement is not for you to talk upon. it is done when people go to hell. you cannot judge lest you be judged. and you cannot throw the first stone. leave it to god and saint peter.

have you ever wondered what would happen if you forced a mother to have a child by preventing abortion? would she love it? take care of it? not neglect it?

redneck do not be hypocritical. in previous posts you talked about "burger flippers" negatively. now do not turn them into some great career for those who have sinned.

let me explain the water down communism thing. there exists two wings in politics. the left and right. there is extreme and modrate of each. extreme left would be communism. extreme right would be fasicism. you come down a little from each extreme you come to the more moderate ideas. come down ever further and you hit the centre. it's a sliding scale on both sides.

[lordblazer]

dismal shape are not as pathetic as some seem to make them

goto a public school in Chicago and no not the suburbs my friend go to the inner city schools and then come back tome and say that we make it seem too pathetic.

[Cloud No.9]

well i went to school in a state school. i live in area with the poorest growth and highest unemployment in my country. i got support for my disability there. i come out with grades in my 5th year to get me into the best university here for my course. that is not a poor system.

if you want proof that state schooling works. look at cuba's literacy rates. look at the doctors they produce. providing everyone in that country with exemplery education for free is why it has the highest literacy rate in the world.

[ShunNakamura]

Public schools while in dismal shape are not as pathetic as some seem to make them.. or at least they aren't in my area

I did put in that little bit on the end did I not.

[DarkLadyNyara]

Hell, I care more about 'em than you do, or you'd be tryin' to help them too.

Oh, yes, it's sooooooo caring of you to dictate MY personal life.

Because it would be so much kinder to just turn Muslim, start stoning our women to death, and let them murder Jews.

Speaking of religious intolerance...

[lordblazer]

well i went to school in a state school. i live in area with the poorest growth and highest unemployment in my country. i got support for my disability there. i come out with grades in my 5th year to get me into the best university here for my course. that is not a poor system.

if you want proof that state schooling works. look at cuba's literacy rates. look at the doctors they produce. providing everyone in that country with exemplery education for free is why it has the highest literacy rate in the world.

Cloud 9 whenever youc ome to the USA go visit a project and then go to a school in the projects jsut visit by no biggy.Then tell me if you've seen it all.

[The Redneck]

Hmm.. but does that tax refund(just from the school mind) come anywhere near the cost of the private school. I'll use our local private school since it is the one I konw most about. I believe it is 3k to 4k a year to attend(as much as our local college(which is why I remembered the numbers).

The federal government alone pays schools from 4 to 12 thousand dollars per student, per year. (the 12, of course, is an extreme, in the Washington DC area... home to some of the worst schools in the nation. They once tried to drum up support for their schools by painting a van with the slogan: "DC PUBLIC SCHOOLS--IT A BLAST!" (sic) )

And the last time I needed a pair of khakhis pants, I got 'em at Wal-Mart for 12 bucks.

Speaking of religious intolerance...

Have you read the statements of the terrorists we're at war with?

If these guys aren't practicing "true islam", then why is criticizing them religious intolerance?

Oh, yes, it's sooooooo caring of you to dictate MY personal life.

I don't remember dictating your personal life, but thanks for letting us know how you stand on the issue.

What I said is that these people need someone to help them, not use them.

And now, the fun part....

first of all regarding the death sentence. it is writenn in the ten commandments. "thou shall not kill". that is the end of it. it applies to everyone.

God also makes it clear that this doesn't apply to legal punishments. As a matter of fact--do you know what the punishment for killing is in the Old Testament?

Basicly those opposed to taxes are only opposed to the taxes they don't use. it's the old "it's mine" thing. so the army and roads are okay but helping poor folk out. that's a big no no.

Whoa--you mean us SOB's don't want our money stolen and thrown away? For SHAME!
Meanwhile, I believe I've made it very clear that helping poor folks out is a good thing. However, having our money stolen by a bloated and wasteful beaurocracy for the supposed purpose of helping poor folk out is a different matter. I have just as much compassion as you do--more so, in fact--so you're wasting your time trying to work that angle.

tut tut tut redneck. there would be no explosion in prosperirty. you said yourself charitable donations should rise. and if all things being equal and fair then noone would be better off because they were spening it on charity and on all the things they would need to buy because the government doesn't do it any more. you know like being educated and literate and all that non essential stuff.

Because we all know that it's far more efficient to let the government do everything. Ask any Russian.

america is not blowing my country out of the water. it is bigger and more powerful but the economy is weak and falling.

To which it gives me great joy to reply--You Wish.

where would i have been without all the government aid? well i would be in a private school, the closest one is 50 miles away

Do you understand the law of supply and demand? Look it up.

i would have had to pay for every time i went to the doctor, had my eyes and teeth checked and treated and for all the prescriptions.

You mean you'd have to pay for what you get? For SHAME!

my family would not have been able to afford to send me to uni. i would have left school in my 4th year of secondary education and been in a dead end job.

Because if someone else doesn't send you to college, then you just can't go.

and look at my country's rail system if you want to see what happens when you privatize something.

Why did Britain privatize it, if public management was such a great thing?
And take a look at my country's rail system if you want to see what happens when you don't privatize something.

yes i am serious redneck.

I was afraid of that. Is that tinfoil hat obscuring your vision?

it is not god's judgement it is your own.

Wanna see the verses? Trust me, if I'd written the Bible, it would include something about forcing Massechussetts to secede.

have you ever wondered what would happen if you forced a mother to have a child by preventing abortion? would she love it? take care of it? not neglect it?

Hopefully. If not, there's other options--including adoption. We've got so many more adoptive parents than kids here in America that parents are going to other countries trying to find babies to adopt. (Mind you, this is cool--both for the childless couple being able to adopt and the child who not only has a family now but has one in America--and I don't mean this to in any way be an indictment of the procedure. I'm simply noting that if there was such an overload of babies here in America waiting to be adopted then parents wouldn't be going elsewhere for them.)

redneck do not be hypocritical. in previous posts you talked about "burger flippers" negatively. now do not turn them into some great career for those who have sinned.

Wrong. In previous posts I talked about "burger flipping" as a career negatively. I've worked burger-flipping jobs as a kid and getting through college. If you're trying to support a family on a "burger-flipping" job, however, you've made the wrong decisions.

let me explain the water down communism thing. there exists two wings in politics. the left and right. there is extreme and modrate of each. extreme left would be communism. extreme right would be fasicism.

Let me repeat myself. Take any tenet of communism. Weaken it (i.e., water it down). You now have a tenet of liberalism. Despite your attempts to link fascism with conservatives, facism does not 'water down' to conservatism. Nice try, though.

i cannot ask god and the church to treat me i ask the state to do that.

That says a lot, right there.

but i some what doubt that some define intervention would cure me.

Cure you? I suppose you figure the state will produce a miracle for you instead? Meanwhile, I suppose some of the people in the church (yes, churches have people in them. Religious people, if you can imagine that. Whole hives of us!) wouldn't help you?

i don't need that opiate.

No, you need the nanny state to take care of your every need with stolen money. Hell, if you had any guts you'd get yourself a gun and go steal the money yourself--but no, you've got people to hide behind. But your taking the time to reference one of the most abysmal idiots and losers in history was good for a quick laugh.

And this I couldn't wait for....

redneck we can tell you are a rich man. privately educated, privately nursed, never needed the welfare state. which explains why you cannot see the benefit of the welfare state.

the only people that do not appreciate the welfare state are those that are too rich to use it. yes redneck that's you.

Normally, I don't think much of the "my life's worse than yours" line. We live in the Land of Opportunity over here, after all, and some of the world's most successful people as well as some of the world's biggest losers have come from the poorest beginnings imaginable as well as some of the richest. But since you seem to have the impression that how much money I had as a child is a vital factor in this debate....

My father was in the Army when I was born, in Ft. Carson. This was before the Montgomery GI Bill was such a huge thing, and before Reagan raised military pay-rates. He made an abysmal salary, despite reaching the rank of Sergeant in three years. It was from Pa that I learned how to float a check, because quite often that's how they managed to get groceries (basically, if you need groceries and payday's a ways off, then you write a check for the groceries. Two days later you write another check. Cash that check and then go to the bank and deposit the money. Your bank account will now read $100 (as an arbitrary figure) because the cash you handed them was entered into your account right away while the check you cashed will take a few days to clear. Now, when the check from the grocery store comes in your account will have the money in it, so your check doesn't bounce. Two days later you do it again, and again, and again if necessary, until payday. I don't know if it was then, but it's illegal now--in other words: don't try this at home, kids.). After his time in the Army was up, Pa took a job as a garbageman. And another job, and sometimes a third, to support his family. He's in his late 40's and has yet to own a new car--among my memories is blowing an engine on the interstate in December on the outskirts of Chicago, and helping Pa put together pretty nearly an entire exhaust system for a Pinto out of bean-cans and worm-clamps. He had a mortgage on a house, but lost it when I was 9 and we had to move to Alabama where he was offered a job managing a cleaning-crew at the mall--and again, at least one other job. We moved back to Illinois after a year (horrible place; I can't stand Illinois), where I remember more than once everybody sleeping in the same room with every sleeping-bag and blanket in the house because we couldn't afford the gas bill. We lived off of Ramen noodles and Macaroni and Cheese. Rarely did I have clothing that was even new, much less brand-name, and I remember taking a lot of flack for it at school.

When I was sixteen, my Pa borrowed money to go to a trucking school and get his CDL. The money was a bit better, but the cost to it was seeing our father on weekends--sometimes--because otherwise he was anywhere from Pennsylvania to Idaho delivering freight. He borrowed more money to try and start his own business, and it failed miserably, leaving him saddled with debt. Not a rich man by any stretch of the imagination--but he never needed the government to provide for his family with stolen money.

When I got out of high school, I joined the Army. Some time in South Carolina, then off to Korea for a year ("Hey, Ma, it's me. I found out where I'm goin'." "Really? Where?" "Korea." "KOREA?!?" "It's this whole other country...." "That's not funny.") where I learned that some people eat jerked squid and that kim'chi is the vilest substance known to man (and that Mama-san will leave you alone if you ask does she have any daughters. I swear, you walk down the street and you have to pry that woman's hand off your arm...). After the Army I took a job driving a cement mixer. That was the summer it reached 115 degrees down here in Georgia, and I drove a truck with a black vinyl interior for 12-17 hours a day... a truck with a center of gravity about six inches over my head, with a liquid, constantly moving load, and bad breaks. DOT regulations say you can't drive more than 70 hours in 8 days. More times than I can count I drove more than 70 hours in 6 days.

After that, college, living in a trailer, in a trailer park where I was one of the only people who spoke English and working in a grocery store to make rent--and yet again living off of Ramen noodles and Macaroni and Cheese. During this time I saw plenty of people on welfare, using the WIC vouchers and EBT card for their purchases, and saw first-hand that these people live much, much better than I do. Got my Associate's degree, moved up to Dahlonega to be near the North Georgia College, and my truck broke down. About $500 to fix and three weeks out of work. Had to borrow money at a fairly exhorbitant rate to cover it, and two months after I finally finished payin' 'em off, it broke down again--for good, this time. Borrowed money for a car, then borrowed money to fix it. So five months later when the car crapped its transmission, I didn't have the money to fix or replace the thing, and couldn't borrow it. I had to quit my job (I'd been movin' up--had a job at a Wal-Mart by this time, for 9 bucks an hour) and pick one up deep-frying chicken--and riding a bicycle 7 miles each way to work.

Currently, I live in a trailer. I have one firearm (I had more when times were good, and had to pawn them to make my bills), an old 4-10 my Pa gave me. I work a job in construction, lugging 80-pound concrete forms in the hot sun, riding a shovel, and swinging a pick all day. I still have no car. I haven't been able to afford any alcohol for the last few months, and I'm stuck living with a roommate who is an inveterate loser pothead, a guy who lets his parents take care of his kid for him so he can put his entire paycheck to weed and continually makes juvenile attempts to cheat me out of money. This is a good thing--I'm getting out of debt, saving money, and getting ready to get back into college so I can finish up, get my Bachelor's degree, and begin my career.

And you're going to tell me that I'm rich? You, who have had everything you ever needed from medical care to college to your house to the gym you go to provided for you with stolen money, are going to claim that my "riches" insulate me from real life?

Get bent.

EDIT: One day I need to come back and read this post because you fascinate me, Mr. Redneck. Unfortunately, direct insults aimed at other members get you banned from this forum. -Murder

[DMKA]

DMKA, give it up, you're outdone.

Give what up? I'm outdone? Outdone in what? I've achieved exactly what I wanted to achieve in this thread...you just don't see it apparently. But that's ok...that's how I like it.

[DarkLadyNyara]

If these guys aren't practicing "true islam", then why is criticizing them religious intolerance?

Likewise, if the so-called "christians" who many of us on this thread criticize are not representive of christianity, how is that religious intolerance? You didn't say "join the terrorists", you said "turn muslim". You can't have it both ways.

[The Redneck]

ikewise, if the so-called "christians" who many of us on this thread criticize are not representive of christianity,

I have yet to hear of a Christian you don't hate.

You didn't say "join the terrorists", you said "turn muslim".

Because that's what their demands are. Likely what they really want is for everyone in America to be the kind of muslim often referred to as "Islamofascists", but their demands are that America become a muslim nation. They also demand that we adopt Shari'ah law (which includes stoning women to death for adultery... and considers rape victims as adulteresses because willing or not they screwed someone other than their husbands. Iran's little twist on it judges the age of consent for females as 9 years old.), and quit helping Israel defend itself.

Or in otherwords--turn muslim, stone women, and let them murder Jews.

[eestlinc]

What I don't understand is why Redneck thinks the Republicans are on his side.

[nik0tine]

Because Jesus said "thou shalt let the terrorists blow thy butt up, and toss serial murderers in jail where they can be out in a few years to murder you again."
2nd Opinions, chapter 4, verse 6

Actually, it's because Jesus said "He who is without sin may cast the first stone"

Keep in mind--"moron" is bad. Who wants to bet you'll see nothing for "you're a hypocrite" and "you're taking a **** on the Bible"? Any takers?

You're a hypocrit is different than "you're a moron". I also see nothing wrong with "taking a on the bible"

Which is obviously false, but if he can go around what he's saying I can to. Just because I usually abhor tact doesn't mean it ain't fun to play with sometimes.

Actually it's true.

And may I note that you are liberal and in this post alone you've made your hatred of Christianity quite evident?

No, you are wrong. Unfrotunately you can't read this, but I feel that I need to say this anyway. I have made my hatred for stupid christians apparent. I hate morons who hide behind thier religion to justify thier BS. I said this earlier, but it really is like they are taking a on the Bible. I respect Christianity, and that is why so many Christians piss me off. They are living, breathing degradations of the faith.

. Hell, it sounds like you actually believe the BS you're spouting about Christianity here--

It's the truth. I have lived in and grown up around the Christian culture, and I therefore know from experiance that I am right. I realize that christians help, and thank god for that, but they do not do it in the volume that is required.

"Well, it's only a joke when you believe that modern conservatism relates to christianity in any way other than thier anti abortion stance"
"But you quoted somebody who said it best. "Christianity is a crutch for the weak minded"."
"The modern christian has no room in thier hearts for 'forgiveness'."
"He did, and that's what made Jesus great. However, most christians wouldn;t even bother to go even that far."
"You can, but you should first try to remedy your own hipocrasies first, which most christians don't even try to do."
"Allow me to answer this question for the majority of Christians in this world (And I'll do so with tremendous accuracy) No."
No cursing allowed on these forums, but you've certainly managed to throw a fit....

If by 'throwing a fit' you mean arguing my point better than you can counter it, than yes. I guess I do 'throw a fit'

Because there's no such thing as private schools, religious schools, or charter schools. Please tell me you weren't being serious when you said that--because if you are we're going to have to stop debating until we both live in the same reality.

Not everybody can attend these, and if you believe they can... well... it doesn't matter, you can't read this post anyway.

[DarkLadyNyara]

I respect Christianity, and that is why so many Christians piss me off. They are living, breathing degradations of the faith.

Exactly.

[Cloud No.9]

lordblazer the fact that america is incapable of running these kinds of systems does not mean they cannot work. you think my country runs them because they don't work or they don't care? or the fact that since their introduction literacy and employment rates have risen? that when the nhs started deaths rates decreased? dental hygeiene went up (til that was stolen). they do and can work. look at cuba and tell me they don't. america is just incapable for whatever reason (lack of funding really) of making them work.

the new testament over-rules the old. that's why jesus contradicted it so much.

taxes are thrown away? my education is a wate of money to you? my health? this is throwing money away?

and redneck lets say tomorrow you no longer had to pay taxes (including vat) tell me what percentage would you give to social security? education? health care? or would you give none? take the money and say you need it for yourself?

and the american economy is falling. look at he strength of the dollar against the pound and euro in the last few years.

so redneck your saying i wold have to pay for my own health? every operation and scan i've ever had? the braces i had fitted? the optical care i require? life and health is not a car. it should not require money to maintain. it is not a commodity that should require cash in hand. it is a right. the state of your health should not be dictated by the size of your bank account? and what of me? when i was sick i wasn't old enough to get a job i was 13. so should what health i am entitled to be dictated to by my parents earnings? was that my fault? am i another one of those people that made bad decisions and should be punished? my parents could not have afforded what i have received. would you have let me die for not being able to afford it? life should not have a cost attached.

so yeah it would be a great shame if i had to pay for living.

and no redneck i ouldn't have went to uni witht he maount my parents earn. the tuition fees alone would have been out of their budget. so no i wouldn't be able to go to uni if my government didn't pay for it.

britain privatised the rail system because we were under the tories at the time who had a great fetish for such things. it failed miserably.

tinfoil hat? you see my vision isn't obscured by greed and hate as many people's vision is.

the bible and how you choose to interpt it is not god's judgement. it was not written by god or proof read by him. what is said at the fornt of the gates of heaven is judgement. if you want the honest truth the bible as the protestant church knows it was created by king james a few hundred years ago.

so the answer to my question was, no you cannot force a child on a mother. and even with adoption some women will not want to go through that. as there are more than one way to skin a cat there is more than one way to get rid of a unborn baby. it happens even now when abortion is legal.

now don't get me wrong i'm not all for abortion. i'm neither for or against it. but if it is to be done it needs to be done by someone who knows what he is doing. not with pennyroal tea or by some guy in a side alley surgey with bicycle parts.

and if you can water down communism and get liberalism. in the same way you can water down fascism and get conservatism. the right wing is the same as the left in this manner. it is a slding scale on both sides.

and no redneck i do not ask the state for a miracle cure. i asked them to perform a live saving operation. something i would not be too keen on trusting to god's will or letting the clergy perform. and if the church was to pay for all my medical tests and procedures as well as all others that asked then it would be pretty damn broke. unless of course evryone gave all that money from that new tax break to charity's and didn't just greedily buy what they wanted. yeah........

i kinda like my post-oliver twist society.

marx as well as being a philosopher not only predicted and influenced the greatest mass movement this world has ever seen. did not write about communism as we saw it. but i am glad you noticed the reference. to be honest nowadays the statement is not true. it would now be regarding tv, soaps and reality tv. but there you go. (sorry it was not relevant)

so redneck are you one of these people that in an other thread claimed have made bad decisions in life and deserve their poverty? from reading what you said. you borrowed alot of money. you could have saved. it's not that you don't have the money to save that amount of money becasue you paid it back and then some. you say you had alot of firearms which you pawned, i'll assume you pawned them for less money then you bought them for. this seems to me like a waste of money. for what reason did you require more than one firearm? surely it is common sense that if a firearm is needed one is needed, not a stock. if you can accept that you have made bad decisions in your life will you retract the idea that poverty is a deserved?

if you lived in a society like mine your father would have been helped through his life. you would have went to a free school. possibly received free meals there. he would have receieved support at the very minimum child tax credits. you would have been offered council accomadation when you lost the mortgage so not forcing you to move. you could have been able to pay that gas bill and had a more varied diet than ramen noodles at home.

and frankly if you think that saving my life was theft then you have lost what respect i had of you.

last point. do not insult or flame me. first of all it is not allowed in this forum. and i would not want to see that percentage on your signature drop below 50% because you cannot abide by the rules given to you. i'm not going to press that warn button because it seems del murder has had a word about it. (was there anything edited out here?) but for the sake of common descency please do not insult anyone on this forum. no matter what your views.

thank you.