So what happens then in a society where, unless you're extremely lucky, you cannot get anywhere in life without the ability to produce capital of some sort, such as ours? Are you just screwed from birth then?C. Because Mommy and Daddy can't pay for it, that doesn't mean somebody should--it means we shouldn't have to rely on anybody but ourselves.
so boy a deserves a better education because by luck he was born to richer parents? he acheives no more but benefits exclusively from what his parent has and with no judgement upon his own merits?
and thanks sasquatch but i have worked for what i have acheived in life. i didn't fall back on the fortune of my parents for a private education. i worked hard and gained what i have through my own ability's and merits.
there is no reason why i should be disadvantaged because of the family i was born into.
why should i have to work harder to prove myself equal?
When you say "ours", you must be referring to a society other than that of America, because that certainly isn't the case here.Originally Posted by Behold the Void
Everybody in America has the ability to produce capital of some sort. Whether it's physical labor, flipping burgers, or filing paperwork, there is no reason short of a physical or mental handicap that anybody should be unable to support themselves.
And if somebody really does have some type of handicap or disability that keeps them from working, there are countless government programs to help them. Those programs, I support.
I admit that our government's done a good job, but there are still problems. Let's take the homeless situation for example. It's extremely difficult to get a job without a permanent residence, yet people are constantly driving away homeless tent cities and the like. What do these people do?
There are plenty of government programs to help out homeless, not to mention the fact that most churches would most likely be more than willing to help--even if it's just pointing them in direction to find more help.
I know that it's illegal to refuse to hire somebody simply because they were in prison, so I'd imagine there'd be some type of laws like that for homeless as well--as long as they're qualified, that is.
The major problem in this regard is that they're hard to contact because they have no permanent residences or phone numbers. Although I do believe there are shelters that provide such a thing, they don't seem able to serve a majority of the homeless.I know that it's illegal to refuse to hire somebody simply because they were in prison, so I'd imagine there'd be some type of laws like that for homeless as well--as long as they're qualified, that is.
True, but I would imagine if they had a demand for it--as in, if all homeless people were to find shelters--then there would be a big push for increased funding and such for homeless shelters, and it wouldn't be a problem for too long.
A good point. So you DO support governmental programs that give people a chance to make their way, and would fund them via taxes, am I correct?True, but I would imagine if they had a demand for it--as in, if all homeless people were to find shelters--then there would be a big push for increased funding and such for homeless shelters, and it wouldn't be a problem for too long.
People that are physically (or mentally) unable to make their way themselves, yes, I fully support taxpayer-funded programs that help them.
but sasquatch before you said flipping burgers would be a mistake to make if you had to raise a kid.
so for some people what capital they can earn is not enough.
When?
I've said before that a McJob isn't what somebody needs to raise a kid, but it's definitely possible, if they work their ass off at it.
Work harder, longer, or smarter. That's the beauty of Capitalism.
flipping burgers isn't a job you can work harder at. you are giving shift times so yo can't work longer. and it certainly isn't a job that requires any kind of smartness.
Work your way up, as I did. I started at Taco Bell. Check your Wiki (I used to be Temple Knight) - I became one of the youngest managers in the company. I made more than enough for things. I know people around me making the same amount and raising kids. It's possible, if hard.
And no one should ask "why do I have to work harder?". It sucks that I wasn't born in a rich family. But all people have to get wealth. Saying that the government needs to pay for it doesn't mean I magically get wealth. It comes from somewhere - or someone, rather. Someone needs to produce it. At the very least, I should carry my own weight economically. Otherwise, I force others to work for me. It's not too humane, really.
You can always work harder/faster, even flipping burgers. And you can always tell your boss you want to work more hours--if your boss doesn't give you more hours, get another job and work more hours there.
Hachifusa hit it on the head. Every time we mention "the government", think instead "we". Because that's what's going on--every cent a government spends is earned by its taxpayers. And every income redistribution program the government works on is funded by the people that make the money in this country.
so when i was 5 it was my responsiblitly to get a job and go out and work?
sas i hope you do know getting a job is a blessing my dad was unemplyed ast year and it took him forever to get a job and he's skilled in his field with a PHD.HE finally found one but it took him months and if his wife hadn't have a job then he would have never been able to support himself
(unemployement is 300 bucks thats just for gas money and lunch money while you look for a job.)
its tough to get a job in okc to tell you the truth its tough to get a job anwhere now.but some people do work multiple jobs and stilll can't support themselves.I understand your thing of dependence but then oy have to add in factors like relatives inherenting debt.Inherent they didn't put themselves to debt there dead beat mnother or father died with debt and passed it on to you!!! that crap is tough man life is tough but that welfare jsut helps really a little bit.No one can live off of welfare alone that what makes that program so good.They get people to try and get out of poverty.Then theres the military.
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