Quote Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara
Those embryos will die anyway, too. They don't make it past two weeks - that's hardly killing babies.
Exactly. I don't like the idea of creating embryos for pure reserch, but if they're gonna be destryoed anyway, then you might as well use them anyway.
Everyone is eventually going to die. So can I have your spleen?

Even if the embryos are being created initially for other purposes, at the end of the day it is still being used as an organ farm. And while right now it's limited to embryos a could of hours or maybe a few days old, things do tend to progress, so perhaps 50 or so years from now, it might seem perfectly resonable to create a human clone of yourself for body parts. I just think it's wrong to take bodyparts from a living human being who was given no choice in the matter and who will die as a result of the procedure. Calling it an embryo changes none of that. It is still a *human* embryo, and it is being used as a donor of body parts without any consent and those doing so know darn well that the human embryo *will* die as a result.

If it were a born human baby and another coutry were doing this, it would be considered the worst human rights abuse probably since the fall of the Soviets or the Nazis. to me at least if I wouldn't do it to a person who was born and while looking them in the face, it shouldn't be done at all.

I'll admit to you that I see human life as beginning at conception. So I am biased on the matter. I take the "human until proven nonhuman" approach, meaning that until I'm convinced beyond any doubt that at a particular point the embryo is not human, it is a human and has at least as many rights as anybody here.