Contempory FF games: Over criticised?

[Destai]

Geeez Raistlin, waita over do it.

Now, to FF9. This one really irritates me because it's supposed to be a nod towards older games. Then why isn't it in 2D? Because graphics sell. When you try to sell an RPG based on looks, it's going to anger some gamers who don't give a damn about graphics, and just want a good game. However, 3D graphics doesn't automatically mean a crappy RPG. Suikoden III is in 3D and is a fantastic RPG, easily the best on the PS2. But the graphics were not meant to sell S3.

I want to get this off my chest. If the graphics were meant to sell FFIX then they would have contuinued the realistic style they used in VIII, X and VII's FMV's and battles. Anyone who could apply to your writing on FFIX's graphics obviously cares way more about graphics than the average gamer. Its hypocritical. If they dont care about graphics then theyre not going to have much of an opinion on them at all. As far as I can see theyd focus on the games other aspects. FFIX was a great game and was enjoyable. Maybe you dont think this way but reading your post is going to give the impression that you dislike it for having good graphics despite decent gameplay. Im saying what me and others thought from reading your post, so maybe you should rethink your writings rather than insulting people who come to understandable conclusions.

[rubah]

1. FF8-haters have a secret cult where they manufacture reasons to hate the game.

Sounds good to me!

[Raistlin]

Geeez Raistlin, waita over do it.

...If I overdid it, what did the guy I was replying to do? Oh wait, I'm sorry, logic has no place here.

I want to get this off my chest. If the graphics were meant to sell FFIX then they would have contuinued the realistic style they used in VIII, X and VII's FMV's and battles.

No, because even the dumbest person would realize that that's not mean to be old school. Plus, this was still PS1-era; they couldn't use FMV graphics for anywhere near the quality of FFX's.

Anyone who could apply to your writing on FFIX's graphics obviously cares way more about graphics than the average gamer. Its hypocritical. If they dont care about graphics then theyre not going to have much of an opinion on them at all.

Again, someone who completely ignores what I'm saying. I don't give a damn about graphics. Do I need to shout it? Subliminal messages, mayhap? One of my favorite RPGs of all time has far superior graphics to FF8 or FF9.

As far as I can see theyd focus on the games other aspects.

...Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? Oh yeah, that logic thing.

FFIX was a great game and was enjoyable.

FFIX was a mediocre game that tried to satisfy both newcomers and old-schoolers. The characters were marginally developed, the plot was okay, the battle system was fairly standard(as the majority of FFs are - with the notable exception of FFT), and the magic system seemed a bit of an afterthought(though not nearly as much as FF8's). All of those facets contribute to my opinion on the came - I don't see "graphics" anywhere on that.

Maybe you dont think this way but reading your post is going to give the impression that you dislike it for having good graphics despite decent gameplay.

Unless, y'know, you actually read my whole post.

Im saying what me and others thought from reading your post, so maybe you should rethink your writings rather than insulting people who come to understandable conclusions.

Who called who a moron, now? Oh yes - it was the other guy.

[squareSOFT]

FFIX was a mediocre game that tried to satisfy both newcomers and old-schoolers. The characters were marginally developed, the plot was okay, the battle system was fairly standard(as the majority of FFs are - with the notable exception of FFT), and the magic system seemed a bit of an afterthought(though not nearly as much as FF8's). All of those facets contribute to my opinion on the came - I don't see "graphics" anywhere on that.

Will you shut up about IX already! As I said before if you don't like it then fine. But don't you tell me that it was a mediocre game as if it's a fact. And that IS what you have been doing. And I HAVE read all youre posts as well. This is a perfect example of idiotic ff fans. We scream for a more "classic" game and then SE gives one to us. And then what do people like you do? They spit on it and say it's crap, when really it is a classic with better graphics. Sure it has its flaws but it is still a very good game and it frustrates me to no end when people like you go out of your way to critisize it. It may not be the best ff game but it's still frikin good!!!

[Raistlin]

Will you shut up about IX already!

...I'm not the one that brought the subject up. I'm sorry that you have to hear an opinion contrary to your own. If you want to function in the real world, I suggest you deal with it.

As I said before if you don't like it then fine. But don't you tell me that it was a mediocre game as if it's a fact. And that IS what you have been doing.

It is a fact - to me. It is a conclusion that I have come to after trying the game, and rationally considering my values(plot, characters, character development, battle system, and magic system) and comparing them to those equivalent aspects of the game.

And I HAVE read all youre posts as well.

Good, then what is all this bitching?

This is a perfect example of idiotic ff fans. We scream for a more "classic" game and then SE gives one to us. And then what do people like you do? They spit on it and say it's crap, when really it is a classic with better graphics.

FF9 was pitiful to FFT, but then again all other FFs are. FF9 was also weaker than FF6 plot-wise and character-wise, and arguably has a weaker magic system.

Sure it has its flaws but it is still a very good game and it frustrates me to no end when people like you go out of your way to critisize it. It may not be the best ff game but it's still frikin good!!!

I just love it when I articulate my reasons in a logical fashion, explaining all the issues I considered and my values as to what I consider to be a good RPG, and then the retort I get is, "it's a very good game!" It's a decent game compared to the other FFs(not extremely good company), but is mediocre when held up against my own values as to a good RPG, which, as I've already explained, are chiefly: plot, characters and character development, battle-system and magic-system. The FF that epitomizes all of those values is FFT, no contest.
And how do I go "out of my way" to criticize it? I could, with little to no actual thought or effort. But I simply made a couple of posts in a thread discussing this very subject, and I'M the one at fault for sharing my rational decision based off of a logical thought-process in accordance with my own values. I'm sorry you have to hear things you don't like.

[squareSOFT]

[QUOTE=Raistlin]...I'm not the one that brought the subject up. I'm sorry that you have to hear an opinion contrary to your own. If you want to function in the real world, I suggest you deal with it.[QUOTE=Raistlin]

Its only when i hear an opinion that is, quite frankly like a typical, spoiled ff fan that I get mad. I dont mind hearing an opinion contrary to my own but when its all incessant babbling about FFT being the only good ff game, thats when I get angry

[QUOTE=Raistlin]It is a fact - to me. It is a conclusion that I have come to after trying the game, and rationally considering my values(plot, characters, character development, battle system, and magic system) and comparing them to those equivalent aspects of the game.[QUOTE=Raistlin]

If its only a fact to you then I suggest you stop acting like its a commonly known fact


[QUOTE=Raistlin]Good, then what is all this bitching?[QUOTE=Raistlin]

I'm only bitching about the fact that you treat IX like a chamber pot. Even if the battle system is a little underdeveloped as are some o the chars it should still be treated with more respect than your giving it

[QUOTE=Raistlin] FF9 was pitiful to FFT, but then again all other FFs are. FF9 was also weaker than FF6 plot-wise and character-wise, and arguably has a weaker magic system.[QUOTE=Raistlin]

Listen to yourself. This is worse than some of those oh-so-annoying FF7 fanboys. And to even suggest that all ff's are pitiful compared to FFT is a horrible mixture of arrogance and stupidy.


[QUOTE=Raistlin] I just love it when I articulate my reasons in a logical fashion, explaining all the issues I considered and my values as to what I consider to be a good RPG, and then the retort I get is, "it's a very good game!" It's a decent game compared to the other FFs(not extremely good company), but is mediocre when held up against my own values as to a good RPG, which, as I've already explained, are chiefly: plot, characters and character development, battle-system and magic-system. The FF that epitomizes all of those values is FFT, no contest.
And how do I go "out of my way" to criticize it? I could, with little to no actual thought or effort. But I simply made a couple of posts in a thread discussing this very subject, and I'M the one at fault for sharing my rational decision based off of a logical thought-process in accordance with my own values. I'm sorry you have to hear things you don't like.[QUOTE=Raistlin]
I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you why I liked ff9 because from what i've seen i'd just get something like "ya well FFT has a better battle system and storyline" And hearing things I dont like? Hell I love a good argument as much as anyone. But to suggest that your descions were rational is just going to far. You have said repeatedly that all ff's are garbage compared to FFT. I think I speak for all ff players when I say that you just crossed the line. FF is one helluva series if just for the sheer emotion that each game has. Every one of them has a unique way of worming its way into your heart and if you have never felt that (and you obviously havent) then you are a cold, cold person. If you wanna know what makes ff's so special go right ahead! Post a message on each ff topic asking for paragraphs on what makes it great. Mabe, just mabe you'll understand then. But seriously I doubt it. After all the wonders square has produced it is sad to see that there are still people like you who will never be satsified. Oh well, your loss...


EDIT:Sorry about the misdone quotes...

[Destai]

Raistlin, its a topic on a FF message board. Im not threatening your manhood by trying to debate games with you. If you can manage to speak to someone who disagrees with you over the games without insulting them everychance you get, it will make the convo and making your point, alot clearer and more enjoyable. seriously.

No, because even the dumbest person would realize that that's not mean to be old school. Plus, this was still PS1-era; they couldn't use FMV graphics for anywhere near the quality of FFX's.

So are you agreeing with me that the graphics style of FFIX was good? or bad because they were cartoony over realistic? or that they were all bad because they have to have 2D graphics to be oldskool?

Anyone who could apply to your writing on FFIX's graphics obviously cares way more about graphics than the average gamer. Its hypocritical. If they dont care about graphics then theyre not going to have much of an opinion on them at all.

Again, someone who completely ignores what I'm saying. I don't give a damn about graphics. Do I need to shout it? Subliminal messages, mayhap? One of my favorite RPGs of all time has far superior graphics to FF8 or FF9.

Raistlin, I wrote that post making sure I didnt say you thought that. It says anyone who applies to what you were saying when you wrote about FFIX in your post.

Who called who a moron, now? Oh yes - it was the other guy.

And he shouldnt have and if it makes yu feel better he'll apologise Im sure. Reading your post like me and others he clearly got the impression that you thought FFIX needed to have 2D graphics and felt that was a genuinely stupid idea. You've made it clear that you dont think that so Thone of Davis should apologise

[Ultima Shadow]

To everything written above: LOL!

Don't ask, I just have a weird sense of humor.

[ThroneofDravaris]

Ah, that's good - make up some irrational theory as to my obviously partial motives.
FFT was an FF game. See that "Final Fantasy" part of the title? Yes, it's very different from the others - but isn't each FF supposed to be different?
FFT was better because the plot was more in-depth and involved than any other FF, the battle system and magic system were both more in-depth and involved, and the characters and development were at least as good as any other FF out there. I'm basing my opinion on articulable logic, and you base yours on whether it "fits in" with the other FFs or not. Hmm...

Oh yes, because I hold classical FF games in such high regard. I don’t like FF9 because it “fits in” with other FF games, I like it because it managed to put a contemporary spin on the older FF games, actually giving them a plot, while at the same time using all of the themes employed in the newer FF games that would not seem out of place in a medieval backdrop. With lack of a better phrase, it’s “the best of both worlds”. I’m sorry I didn’t use articuable logic in my post. You see, I was under the impression that articuable wasn’t a real word…

The same reasonings are mentioned in every argument...hmm...let's see, that leaves two possibilities:

1. FF8-haters have a secret cult where they manufacture reasons to hate the game.

2. FF8 just sucks in those areas.

Yes, or people are just reiterating the same crap that they heard from some guy that hated the way FF8 was modern/futuristic. And that idea of the cult isn’t as far fetched as you might think.

I was going to Warn you, but realized instead that you putting words into my mouth just made you a moron, so it was worth it. I suggest you actually read what I said before you shove your foot down your throat further.

Did you completely skip the part where I said that I absolutely love Suikoden 3, including its 3D graphics(that are much better than FF8's and FF9's)? You just seem to be replying to some imaginary argument in your head rather than the things I said.

I’m afraid you misread what I wrote:

Damn it, why can’t people understand that just because a game has great graphics, it doesn’t mean that any less attention was played to the other aspects of the game.

I did read what you had to say about Suikoden 3, so I knew that you didn’t simply hate games with decent graphics. Although, your post seemed to imply that you are under the impression that if a game has decent graphics, the plot tends to suffer. Hell, you even said as much:

The problem with going into 3D is the tendency to over-emphasize graphics…

What proof do you have of this? Name an RPG whose lack of plot can be blamed entirely on its superior graphics. Maybe you should read what I write before you infer on my ability to comprehend your writing.

Also, if you don't consider FFT contemporary, then there's no way in hell FF7 can be.

Why? Because FF7 came before FFT? I don’t consider FFT a contemporary FF game because it was very different from all of the other FF games, classical and contemporary alike. FFT’s story line is almost void of any FF references, remove the FF jobs and monsters and it wouldn’t be a FF game at all. FF games always have a focus on summons, crystals or magic. None of these things play an important part to the story of FFT, thus it bears no real relevance to this thread. FFT is a great game, but you can’t use it to…actually, what were you trying to prove with it?

...what? Why not? Because something you like is supposed to be held sacred by everyone else? I'm sorry I pointed out the obvious flaws of a game meant to make newcomers feel they were "old school" RPG players.

Meh. I must admit, the phrasing of this sentence makes me look like a hypocrite, after mocking those who cry out when someone says FF1 was crap. Therefore, allow me to rephrase:

“Oh well, people shouldn’t insult FF9 FOR NO GOOD REASON”

And what flaws did you point out exactly? That FF9 had decent graphics? That was your original point after all…

...If I overdid it, what did the guy I was replying to do? Oh wait, I'm sorry, logic has no place here.

You started your post with : “All of you people criticizing the older FF games: your opinions are automatically ruled invalid by the glaringly obvious fact that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THE BEST FINAL FANTASY EVER MADE.”

If I overreacted at all, it was because you seem to think that everyone else who posted here has no idea what their talking about, simply because they didn’t mention a game that wasn’t relevant in the first place.

FFIX was a mediocre game that tried to satisfy both newcomers and old-schoolers. The characters were marginally developed, the plot was okay, the battle system was fairly standard (as the majority of FFs are - with the notable exception of FFT), and the magic system seemed a bit of an afterthought(though not nearly as much as FF8's). All of those facets contribute to my opinion on the came - I don't see "graphics" anywhere on that.

What the hell is with your idolization of FFT? Why is every other FF game substandard compared to this game? Seriously, you seem to think that this game was superior to all the others in every way except for graphics. Well, let me just point something out:

1. Characters development only existed between the protagonist and the games NPC’s. All of the other characters you control had no personalities, as they were virtually created by the player.
2. The plot, while ‘involved’, was extremely slow moving, and all of the games twists you could see a mile away.
3. Despite how ‘new’ and ‘challenging’ the battle system was in this game, it was very tedious when it came to character levelling, and boss fights were no where near as fun as they are with ATB/CTB.
4. The ‘perpetual’ world map meant that the game moved in a very linear fashion (I’m not kidding, you really did move in a straight line from place to place.). It also caused the game to lose that sense of atmosphere found in all of the other FF games.
Note that none of these flaws make FFT intolerable. These are all still valid point however, FFT did not outperform all the other FF games in every way, as you seem to imply in your posts.

And how exactly was magic an after thought in FF8?! It was the only FF game where magic was explained to any grate degree. Apart from GF’s, I would say magic was the prime focus of this game. How could you think a magic system as complex as Junctioning was just tacked on?

Who called who a moron, now? Oh yes - it was the other guy.

For the record, you insulted us all first with your pathetic “your opinions are invalid” comment. I don’t call people morons for no reason.

...I'm not the one that brought the subject up. I'm sorry that you have to hear an opinion contrary to your own. If you want to function in the real world, I suggest you deal with it.

Funny, I seem to remember the subject of this thread was “Contemporary FF games: Over criticised?” not “FFIX is the best game ever”. So were did all this FFIX talk come from? Oh, that’s right:

Now, to FF9. This one really irritates me because it's supposed to be a nod towards older games. Then why isn't it in 2D? Because graphics sell. When you try to sell an RPG based on looks, it's going to anger some gamers who don't give a damn about graphics, and just want a good game.

Oh, and by the way, people don’t care that you didn’t like FF9. What they care about is the fact that you don’t seem to be able to come up with any points as to why it was crap, other than “it was a tribute to classic FF games, yet it wasn’t 2D”.

It is a fact - to me. It is a conclusion that I have come to after trying the game, and rationally considering my values(plot, characters, character development, battle system, and magic system) and comparing them to those equivalent aspects of the game.

Yes, and your values seem to be based on the worst example you could possible find for a FF game, since it was supposed to be entirely different. Well, after considering my set of values, you’re an idiot-that’s fact to me.

Good, then what is all this bitching?

The ‘bitching’ is about the way you claim we haven’t read your posts in there entirety, yet really you’ve misinterpreted ours.

FF9 was pitiful to FFT, but then again all other FFs are. FF9 was also weaker than FF6 plot-wise and character-wise, and arguably has a weaker magic system.

Congratulations, you just invalidated all of your points, as you obviously have a very biased view on how a FF game should be (i.e. not really like an FF game).

I just love it when I articulate my reasons in a logical fashion, explaining all the issues I considered and my values as to what I consider to be a good RPG, and then the retort I get is, "it's a very good game!" It's a decent game compared to the other FFs(not extremely good company), but is mediocre when held up against my own values as to a good RPG, which, as I've already explained, are chiefly: plot, characters and character development, battle-system and magic-system. The FF that epitomizes all of those values is FFT, no contest.
And how do I go "out of my way" to criticize it? I could, with little to no actual thought or effort. But I simply made a couple of posts in a thread discussing this very subject, and I'M the one at fault for sharing my rational decision based off of a logical thought-process in accordance with my own values. I'm sorry you have to hear things you don't like.

What? What do you think this thread is about? A simple glance at the thread title and you will see how irrelevant your posts are. Once again, this thread is about whether contemporary FF games are unfairly criticised, compared to classical FF games, which go practically unscratched. You are supposed to by trying to prove that classical FF games are so much better than contemporary ones that they deserve less criticism or factor that might affect people’s opinions on either type. Most people that have replied to this thread have managed to do this, and have even come up with valid points as to why my views aren’t entirely correct. You, however, used FFT rather than a classical FF game as the median for your opinion, which cannot be used to argue either way.

Ok, so let’s consider the net worth of your posts, the only point that wasn’t off-topic.

The older games are better, not because they are older, but because they are better.

I see…Classical FF games are better, because there are…better.
Hmm, maybe you should have elaborated on this point further, rather than insulting FF9, and comparing everything to Final Fantasy Tactics…

[ThroneofDravaris]

Raistlin, its a topic on a FF message board. Im not threatening your manhood by trying to debate games with you. If you can manage to speak to someone who disagrees with you over the games without insulting them everychance you get, it will make the convo and making your point, alot clearer and more enjoyable. seriously.

No, because even the dumbest person would realize that that's not mean to be old school. Plus, this was still PS1-era; they couldn't use FMV graphics for anywhere near the quality of FFX's.

So are you agreeing with me that the graphics style of FFIX was good? or bad because they were cartoony over realistic? or that they were all bad because they have to have 2D graphics to be oldskool?

Anyone who could apply to your writing on FFIX's graphics obviously cares way more about graphics than the average gamer. Its hypocritical. If they dont care about graphics then theyre not going to have much of an opinion on them at all.

Again, someone who completely ignores what I'm saying. I don't give a damn about graphics. Do I need to shout it? Subliminal messages, mayhap? One of my favorite RPGs of all time has far superior graphics to FF8 or FF9.

Raistlin, I wrote that post making sure I didnt say you thought that. It says anyone who applies to what you were saying when you wrote about FFIX in your post.

Who called who a moron, now? Oh yes - it was the other guy.

And he shouldnt have and if it makes yu feel better he'll apologise Im sure. Reading your post like me and others he clearly got the impression that you thought FFIX needed to have 2D graphics and felt that was a genuinely stupid idea. You've made it clear that you dont think that so Thone of Davis should apologise

Thone of Davis? What am I, Jewish?

As for apologizing… meh, I stand by my description. If Raistlin does anything to prove he isn’t a moron (God knows he hasn’t so far) , then I’ll gladly apologize.

[squareSOFT]

As for apologizing… meh, I stand by my description. If Raistlin does anything to prove he isn’t a moron (God knows he hasn’t so far) , then I’ll gladly apologize.

Don't hold your breath

[Raistlin]

I love how you guys skip over everything you can't answer. First off, one of you guys said, "your whole post was off-topic but this one phrase" (where I said the older games are better), and then completely left out the entire rest of my post where I showed my reasonings(I seem to be the only one discussing reality here) as to why the newer games are worse.

Secondly, how did I insult anyone by my "all of your opinions are invalid" comment? Ever heard of a joke? People always skip FFT.

Thirdly, I metioned FFT because it's focus is solely on plot, characters and development, battle-system, and magic-system, which are my chief values concerning RPGs.

Fourthly, I said going to 3D graphics has a tendency to over-emphasize graphics. Tendency, not fact. As proof, I suggest FF8, FF10, and FFX-2.

Lastly, I patiently explained my values as to what I consider a good RPG, explained how FF8, FF9, FFX, and FFX-2(the newer games) leveled up with those values compared to other FFs, and then to other RPGs...and I'm giving tired old reasons? It seems to me that I'm the only one giving actual reasons for the things I say, and I get jumped on because I don't share the popular opinion.

And if I sounded condescending, your arguments were irrational. Attacking my argument itself is foolish - it's my reasons that are in question, and I have yet to see any comments on those.

And I could Warn most of you, but I find this all terribly amusing.

Just a thought: here's how this discussion has been going, in political form:

Me: I don't like Bush for this, this, and this.
You guys: Bush rules! You just don't like Republican presidents!
Me; huh?

Ah, well, shows me to try to incorporate logic in my arguments.

[Destai]

I love how you guys skip over everything you can't answer. First off, one of you guys said, "your whole post was off-topic but this one phrase" (where I said the older games are better), and then completely left out the entire rest of my post where I showed my reasonings(I seem to be the only one discussing reality here) as to why the newer games are worse.

Skip everything they cant answer? Maybe they agree with you or maybe they dont see the point in bothering. Thats just making assumptions. And ThronodDarvis didnt ignore that part of your post, he said you should elaborate further.

Secondly, how did I insult anyone by my "all of your opinions are invalid" comment? Ever heard of a joke? People always skip FFT.

You've taken jokes the wrong way yourself, "oh well, people shouldnt insult IX." That was pretty clearly a joke.

Fourthly, I said going to 3D graphics has a tendency to over-emphasize graphics. Tendency, not fact. As proof, I suggest FF8, FF10, and FFX-2.

I agree those games had good graphics and I think the rest of those games was very well thought out and detailed as far as battle system and storyline go.

Lastly, I patiently explained my values as to what I consider a good RPG, explained how FF8, FF9, FFX, and FFX-2(the newer games) leveled up with those values compared to other FFs, and then to other RPGs...and I'm giving tired old reasons? It seems to me that I'm the only one giving actual reasons for the things I say, and I get jumped on because I don't share the popular opinion.

Its called a debate.

And if I sounded condescending, your arguments were irrational. Attacking my argument itself is foolish - it's my reasons that are in question, and I have yet to see any comments on those.

But if your arguments off topic whats the point?

[ShunNakamura]

You see, I was under the impression that articuable wasn’t a real word…

First of all

Main Entry: ar·tic·u·la·ble
Pronunciation: är-'ti-ky&-l&-b&l
Function: adjective
: capable of being expressed, explained, or justified

Why? Because FF7 came before FFT? I don’t consider FFT a contemporary FF game because it was very different from all of the other FF games, classical and contemporary alike

Second of all

con·tem·po·rar·y P Pronunciation Key (kn-tmp-rr)
adj.
Belonging to the same period of time
Of about the same age.
Current; modern:


Now if I am right FFT was released after FF7. Thus by the argument of correct word usage I can safely say that if FF7 is contemporary so is FFT. End of that arguement.

FFT’s story line is almost void of any FF references, remove the FF jobs and monsters and it wouldn’t be a FF game at all. FF games always have a focus on summons, crystals or magic. None of these things play an important part to the story of FFT, thus it bears no real relevance to this thread

Finally, the game is definately a FF game.. I don't know how one could confuse it otherwise. It follows the lead of having a "Cid" in it. It has the traditional monsters. The job system is a modified FFV job system(for the most part). It has cloud in it, it does use crystals albeit in a new fashion. So who is the one discriminating for trying something "new".

Oh yes there is more than that I am certian that links it to the FF series.. but first, I have to get ready for a ceremony, and two it is taking a bit of time to think about FFT since it has been awhile since I last played.

As a last note. You do realize that the individual FF games tend not to link as much as some think... what are the links between 6 and 5 or between 8 and 7? Just about the only one you can easily claim links for is X and X-2(or so hearsay says).

Boy do I wish I had FFIX so that I could hop into the heat of this instead of fenching the edges.

[Ultima Shadow]

If Raistlin does anything to prove he isn’t a moron (God knows he hasn’t so far) , then I’ll gladly apologize.

Well... morons are just annoying, not amusing, right? Then he's hardly a moron.


Edit: Oww, man... I really wonder why I haven't noticed this post until now:

You still kind of missed the point though.

People can dislike FFX and not enjoy playing it, and then ENJOY playing FF1, and would RATHER play it.

That is NOT a far-fetched idea. No matter how much 'better' you think FFX is in 'evey way possible' there is still someone who does not like the sphere grid, the plot, the characters, and it's just NOT their cup of tea Totally hates the game. Yet this sam person can sit through FF1 and enjoy it. Are they insane? Thats simply a matter of opinion.

What I've trying to say is that you can analyze a game in all of its catagories and say it totally smashes another game to pieces, but that still doesn't make it better by someone else's standards.

I mean sure, mindless bashing is always a problem, but you can't always tell a person that just 'hasn't given the game a chance' as compared to someone who 'doesn't like the game and prefers an older one'.

No, I didn't miss the point and I actually agree. I like many of the older ones much better than many of the new ones. I just... uhh... actually I've already forgot the reason I posted the post that you quoted, but whatever... nevermind.

Urgh... I'm just too tired to think clearly... I have to refresh my mind a bit... *goes to sleep*