Just a question...*maybe spoilers for people early in the game*

[TheAbominatrix]

They say it, but I dont see it. It's that old 'if they act like they dislike eachother, they must like eachother' teasing, as far as I can see it. He's rude and cold to her, he simply does his job until she's in a coma, then he freaks. I'm not saying you're wrong, but in my eyes, it's forced, underdeveloped, and really dumb. You have good points, I just dont agree with any of them.

And with Aeryn and John of Scape, it took a VERY long time and they were still ripe with problems. I know VIII didnt have the time span to do such a thing, but it's more believable like that.

[Skyblade]

They say it, but I dont see it. It's that old 'if they act like they dislike eachother, they must like eachother' teasing, as far as I can see it. He's rude and cold to her, he simply does his job until she's in a coma, then he freaks. I'm not saying you're wrong, but in my eyes, it's forced, underdeveloped, and really dumb. You have good points, I just dont agree with any of them.

And with Aeryn and John of Scape, it took a VERY long time and they were still ripe with problems. I know VIII didnt have the time span to do such a thing, but it's more believable like that.

One small point. They don't act like they dislike each other. Rinoa obviously likes Squall. He doesn't act like he likes anyone. But the way he treats Rinoa is seperate from the way that he treats the others.

...Oh, and you're saying that everything is all peachy for Squall and Rinoa now? I disagree with that too, but that's all right.

Well, since you're nice enough to respect my opinion, I'll do the same to you. I'm a die hard Squall/Rinoa fan, and I highly doubt that that will change anytime soon. But it doesn't hurt me to let you think what you want about their relationship, so I'll just tip my hat to you and get own with my business, and let you do the same. It's rather nice to see tolerant people in threads like these for a change. TTFN.

[TheAbominatrix]

No, I meant the thing in general. When people dislike eachother, often times people tease them that they do.

And everything seemed pretty peachy for Rinoa and Squall. They had problems with the outside world, but not with eachother. John and Aeryn had some pretty intense fights, especially after she bring Scorpius on board. He even wants to forget her completly. It doesnt seem Squall and Rinoa will have those sorts of problems.

[Skyblade]

No, I meant the thing in general. When people dislike eachother, often times people tease them that they do.

And everything seemed pretty peachy for Rinoa and Squall. They had problems with the outside world, but not with eachother. John and Aeryn had some pretty intense fights, especially after she bring Scorpius on board. He even wants to forget her completly. It doesnt seem Squall and Rinoa will have those sorts of problems.

Ah, that makes more sense now.

True, things are looking up for Squall and Rinoa. But just because he admitted his feelings for her doesn't mean everything will be all hunky dory from here on out. Hell, they were fighting again before they even left Edea's house!

[boys from the dwarf]

Listen the love story between sqall and rinoa is definetly the most interesting but FF8 is more love story than any other and i like that. theres also the story of irvine and selphie and everyone growing up together and stuff but FF8 has one of the most unique story lines

[Gwelenguchenkus]

I think it's obvious that Squall is hiding feelings, they hint that all throughout the game.

He gives the cold shoulder when someone asks him something personal, but when it comes to helping innocent people, or shows some type of effection, the team will respond with something like: "wow, I didn't expect to hear that from you" or "Is squall showing some affection?" or whatnot, and of course, he feels violated and retaliates with 'whatever'.

It's not Just towards Rinoa. At different parts he will go out of his way to save his friends. He puts up a defensive shield normally, and you're not really sure what he feels.

Most of the time when Rinoa pisses Squall off, it's because she's trying to 'break his shell'. Squall will not allow this. It would only take something serious for him to break free of it.

That's why, when he 'freaked out' all of the sudden, it was expected. What happens when Rinoa and Squall are united again, he goes back to his old self again. The game was trying to show that Squall actually feared showing his feelings.

I don't believe Squall ever hated her. You can tell when they got into a battle early on in the game and she ran away, all he thought about was what he did wrong.

I strongly believe there were subtle things in the plot hinting towards him liking her. It wasn't an out-of-the-blue thing to me. When I'm playing through this playthrough, I'll jolt down some of those subtleties and post them here.

[TheAbominatrix]

I'm aware of the things that be construed as subtley, but I dont at all agree that they pointed to him liking her. I've played the game through many times, and it's never, not once, rang true for me. None of his behaviour has said to me that he cared for her, and none of it ever will it seems.

[Skyblade]

I'm aware of the things that be construed as subtley, but I dont at all agree that they pointed to him liking her. I've played the game through many times, and it's never, not once, rang true for me. None of his behaviour has said to me that he cared for her, and none of it ever will it seems.

Very well. We got that point. We all understand your views on the matter, so there's no need to keep going on about it. I'm not trying to be rude (ok, maybe I am a little), but you've gotten a bit repetitive. We understand that you don't think that they were truly in love, and you probably never will. So let the thread move on to others, ok?

[Armisael]

I strongly disagree, because there is nothing subtle. He dislikes her up until that point. His inner monologue never changes in regards to Rinoa. He starts to open up more, yes, but he doesnt start to fall for Rinoa. It's not subtle or real, it's split-second change. I'm sure others will come to argue this with me, but I'll never change my view. I even replayed the game to be sure, and I dont agree with anyone who says there was subtle change.

It could just be because I dont think anyone could fall in love that quickly, period. I dont think Cloud and Aerith could love eachother after such a short time, nor Locke and Celes, nor even Yuna and Tidus. I see the attraction and the beginning of feelings and the love that friendship brings, but not romantic love. Not in that amount of time. Maybe it's because I'm a cynic. But I see Rinoa and Squall the same way I see the people in high school, after two weeks dating, proclaiming they'll be in love forever. Angsty teen love.

Yeah you have a very good point here..

[TheAbominatrix]

I'm aware of the things that be construed as subtley, but I dont at all agree that they pointed to him liking her. I've played the game through many times, and it's never, not once, rang true for me. None of his behaviour has said to me that he cared for her, and none of it ever will it seems.

Very well. We got that point. We all understand your views on the matter, so there's no need to keep going on about it. I'm not trying to be rude (ok, maybe I am a little), but you've gotten a bit repetitive. We understand that you don't think that they were truly in love, and you probably never will. So let the thread move on to others, ok?

I'm not going on about it. I assume Yuki was arguing my points, because it has nothing to do with the thread topic. No less reptitive than the two of you arguing it. The thread topic is 'Does FFVII accurately depict love'. I'm no going to argue with anyone who says otherwise, but I will argue with people who continually insist to me that it's a subtle progression. That's directed at me, not the thread topic.

[MushroomZOMBIE]

People have too much opinions,& it leads them to repetitivity,then into fighting........
it sucks,dude.I just state the facts,that's what I'm here for.To tell you the truth,I'm afraid of opinions,I fear if people don't agree with me,they will dislike me or rant about & make me feel bad.I really don't believe in love myself,as nobody finds me interesting.Guys always have to bang the whore next door,I smurfING HATE IT.
But,it's a game.It's different for every one.

[ffrinoa8]

Do you think that Final Fantasy VIII truely potrays love? And if so, how?

I believe it does, because you don't see a person like Squall change that much with no influence...Only love can do that to him... The things her does for her...Only love can trigger them...So yes...it does...

yes i agree that it does!

[Del Murder]

About as much as Romeo & Juliet does.

[rubah]

We already mentioned R & J. Pay attention.

[Del Murder]

Whoops. Sorry, I didn't mean to rubah the wrong way.