Can FF truely be concidered a Role Playing game?

[Gwelenguchenkus]

Well, I think everyone should remember (and I've said this many times)

Dictionaries don't define words, people do. And Final Fantasy is indeed an RPG. Dictionaries simply 'try' to get the best description of a word or phrase(some dictionaries have quite a few small 'phrases' now) as possible, so that people can use it as a reference. But sometimes dictionaries are archaic, and some people use words differently i differet cultures, making different dictionaries.

If 'ain't' became a widely mainstream word that everyone used, it would indeed become a word in the dictionary, which in a sense means that using it doesn't mean it's 'wrong', just that it isn't proper now because it's not really mainstream.
EDIT: actually, Ain't IS in the dictionary, but there is a 'note of controversy'.

Did you know 'Bling-Bling' is in the dictionary? Sad. Where's MY note of controversy?

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[Yuffie514]

Yuffie, unless you (or someone on staff, or someone else using your logon) has "physically removed" posts, then I doubt you posted it in the first place. But you can PM an admin who can check more thoroughly than I can.

well, i think it didn't make it due to some technical difficulties or i posted in the wrong thread. ty. me'll check my latest posts, tsk tsk.

[DJZen]

Yes, but if words can mean whatever you want them to mean, communication becomes impossible. If I feel that "F*** YOU!" is a term of endearment, rather than an insult, why shouldn't I just go around shouting it at everyone?

Because it's an expression of dislike, duh, look it up.

RPGs in the traditional sense and console RPGs are different things. I still describe FF as an RPG but there is a footnote.



*Final Fantasy is not actually an RPG, it's just easier to call it that than to say "Console RPG in the popular Final Fantasy vein".

[Gwelenguchenkus]

Yes, but if words can mean whatever you want them to mean, communication becomes impossible. If I feel that "F*** YOU!" is a term of endearment, rather than an insult, why shouldn't I just go around shouting it at everyone?

Because it's an expression of dislike, duh, look it up.

RPGs in the traditional sense and console RPGs are different things. I still describe FF as an RPG but there is a footnote.



*Final Fantasy is not actually an RPG, it's just easier to call it that than to say "Console RPG in the popular Final Fantasy vein".

Words don't really mean whatever you want them to mean. I mean, I can make up a bunch of words right now, but they don't mean anything.

What I really meant to say was that the widely used term "RPG", and then only when referring to console RPGs in general, usually means a lot of things, but basically (like you said) stuff that mimics in certain ways, the Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy series' (moreso dragon quest, because it was the FIRST console 'RPG'). So now people interpret those games as role playing games by majority, which make them role playing games by people's definition, although analysis of the actual phrase compared to the games which they are labeled may make you think otherwise.

Was that confusing enough?

Console RPGs usually, but not always, deal with numbers, stats, and experience, which is funny considering D&D had a few dice and numbers, but for the msot part a lot of it was 'made up' as you go along. Also, Console RPGs typically have a story of some kind that guides you through the game, and you go through trials (like dungeons and such), and everything builds up to a 'final boss'.

Silimarities between Pen and Paper (or even imaginative) RPGs an Console RPGS:

+you play the role as a character/characters
+you go through trials (dungeons/battles etc)
+both have stories which guide you
+you tend to learn skills and magic spells in both varieties
+many pen and paper RPGs have a variety of monsters you can kill (or you can make up your own) just like in console RPGs


not similar

-console RPGs are finite, while pen&paper/imaginative can theoretically last as long as you want
-console RPGs have a high dependance on stats, and are always linear to some extent, while pen&paper/imaginative can go in any direction you want
-console RPGs tend to have a high dependance on stats and experience gain
-several things, while not in ALL console rpgs, don't have anything to do with pen&paper/imaginative RPGs. These include graphics, world map, minigames, etc. The fact that an RPG is on a platform automatically transforms it into a different media.

But think about it. If you were to 'accurately' transfer a pen & paper or imaginative RPG onto a console, how the hell would you do it 'properly'? You can't, really. But in all actuallity, I think the console RPG genre of videogames is more closely related to a pen&paper/imaginative RPG than any of the other videogame genres, even if they are still vastly different.

[Fire_Emblem776]

Under that definition, EVERY game is an RPG.

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[Ultima Shadow]

Can FF truely be concidered a Role Playing game?

Yes.

[DJZen]

-console RPGs have a high dependance on stats, and are always linear to some extent, while pen&paper/imaginative can go in any direction you want
-console RPGs tend to have a high dependance on stats and experience gain.

What are you talking about? D&D has always been insanely dependant on stats. So have all RPGs. That's basically the only thing that separates it from Cops & Robbers.

[Del Murder]

The FF-style game probably doesn't follow the original definition of RPG, but I think the term has taken on a new meaning since. Whenever I say RPG I refer to a DQ/FF type game. I like 'console RPG', that probably better defines it and FF is indeed the prime example of one.