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    where is this anima theory? i would like to read it. it sounds like Jungs Anima Theory about men and women having unconscious qualities of the other sex.

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    quite a lot of text, but its worth reading
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    where is this anima theory? i would like to read it. it sounds like Jungs Anima Theory about men and women having unconscious qualities of the other sex.
    it was in the FF X furum last time i saw it

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    I found out this FAQ from gamefaqs a while back. Is a good place for information on the storyline


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    This is a good analysis, however, anyone can do this if you pay attention to the game hard enough and do each and every sidequest as well as research anything that is brought up in the game. It's nothing really special, my friends and I came up with our own analysis of the game. Since I was more interested in religions, cultures, psychology, and sociology at the time. My contribution was around that same fields. My friends also contributed to each of those as well.

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    This is a good analysis, however, anyone can do this if you pay attention to the game hard enough and do each and every sidequest as well as research anything that is brought up in the game. It's nothing really special, my friends and I came up with our own analysis of the game. Since I was more interested in religions, cultures, psychology, and sociology at the time. My contribution was around that same fields. My friends also contributed to each of those as well.
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    yea us normal people can fully comprehend this when it cam out *sigh*

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    A member named Jess actually linked to this FAQ in this Thread a little over a week ago: Linkage.

    By the way, Kawaii and Big D, I agree that the WEAPONs aren't organic, though they're some kind of living metal, at least in Ultimate WEAPON's case, as the creature is obviously made of metal and has a robotic-looking orb in its chest.

    Emerald, likewise, appears to be made of metal. One could argue a case for Ruby, Diamond, and Sapphire being non-metallic (such as animals like armadillos naturally producing armour plating akin to Sapphire's), but Ultimate and Emerald are certainly living metal.

    It really shouldn't be that hard to imagine when we've got opponents like Hell House in the game.


    Anyway, concerning the FAQ, if you don't care so much about complete accuracy, it's decent enough I suppose, but here are some problems I found with it, as I mentioned in that other Thread:

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    Some of those dates are off, as is some of the information.

    First, it's never said in-game where JENOVA was sealed by the Cetra. There have been claims that it was sealed in the Northern Crater and claims that it was sealed in the Mt. Nibel mountains. Neither can be taken as fact as the game doesn't state it outright or imply it with any degree of certainty. All that's said is that Gast found JENOVA in a 2,000 year old geological stratum. Oddly, this article suggests both, first saying that the Cetra sealed JENOVA in the Northern Crater, then saying that Gast discovered it in the Nibelheim mountains. There's little consistency at work here.

    Next up, it was roughly thirty years before the main events of the game that JENOVA was found by Gast and the experiments conducted on Lucrecia and Hojo, not fifteen. Also, it wasn't just Hojo who injected Lucrecia, but it was both Gast and Hojo. The project was Gast's and Hojo and Lucrecia were his assistants. They were having a child and both of them willingly offered up her and the unborn child to experimentation.

    It would have been 22 years before the main events of the game that Aerith and Ifalna were captured and Gast killed, as Aerith was only 20 days old at the time. It would have then been 15 years before the main events of the game that Ifalna and Aerith escaped from Shin-Ra and Aerith was taken in by Elmyra.

    Also to note is that -- while Tseng has authority over the other Turks -- it's never suggested that Reno or Rude had any second or third-in-command authority.

    Concerning Seto, it's not known that he was Bugenhagen's son or son-in-law simply because Nanaki calls him "Grandfather." This was -- in all likelihood -- a title of respect or what everyone in the village would have called him. It was not uncommon in Japanese villages or Native American tribes for the leader of the community to be called "Grandfather." This game is a Japanese game and the area and people of Cosmo Canyon are based on Native Americans (most likely the Hopi).

    Another moment where we find a lack of consistency is with the article stating that Hojo continues experimenting with JENOVA, "which he excavated," whereas it earlier stated that Gast had excavated it. In any event, this information is false. Gast excavated JENOVA.

    In the same paragraph, we find the author(s) stating that the glow in the eyes of members of SOLDIER is due to being injected with JENOVA Cells, whereas in-game, President Shinra states that it is a result of Mako infusion. While possible that he didn't realize what JENOVA Cells could do to one's body and it may yet have been that the glow was a result of that, no suggestion that Mako doesn't cause the glow is ever brought forth in-game.

    A couple of small points, but incorrect nonetheless, are the statements that Cloud moved Tifa aside, then attacked Sephiroth, as well as the one that Tifa made her way to Midgar. Cloud rushed up the stairs, grabbing Zack's Buster Sword when he entered the pod room in the Mt. Nibel Reactor, stabbed Sephiroth in the stomach, then went back and moved Tifa aside. He proceeded to attack Sephiroth again when he tried to escape, and it was then that he was skewered by Sephiroth and threw him off the catwalk. As for Tifa, Zangan took her all the way to Midgar himself.

    Also incorrect is that Cloud didn't take to the experimentation that Hojo conducted on him and was labeled a failure. Due to the information in the Escapee Report in the back of the Shin-Ra Mansion's library, we know that Cloud was, in fact, a success, as he had a reaction to JENOVA's Cells, whereas Zack did not and was the failure. Also questionable is the matter of only "most" of the Sephiroth Clones being the survivors of Sephiroth's massacre in Nibelheim, as the game never alludes to anyone else having been part of the experiment.

    Also questionable is whether or not Sephiroth was the one manipulating Cloud and the other Clones. While possible, it's also possible that it was JENOVA manipulating all of them, Sephiroth included. As it is not currently known whether it was Sephiroth or JENOVA, stating either as fact is a poor decision. And, again, Cloud wasn't a failure. This article has twice failed to take account of that. At worst, he could be described as "incomplete" for having been rescued by Zack before being assigned a number as the other Clones were.

    Another inaccuracy is the statement that Barret founded AVALANCHE. The author(s) of the article can likely be excused for this inaccuracy, however, as the article was likely written before Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis was unveiled. The game is based 6 years before the main events of Final Fantasy VII, and focuses mainly on the conflicts between Shin-Ra and the -- at the time -- new terrorist group, AVALANCHE.

    Another bad decision on the part of the author(s) was to state that a Sephiroth Clone arrives in the Shin-Ra headquarters and slaughters the personnel, taking JENOVA's body with it. Palmer makes no mention of the Sephiroth form he saw carrying JENOVA's body away, leaving the possibility open that the body of JENOVA walked on its own after assuming Sephiroth's form. Also, any point where it's stated that a Sephiroth Clone in Sephiroth's form does anything is possibly inaccurate due to the possibility of it being pieces of JENOVA in Sephiroth's form that the party encounters, which then transform from the tentacle (as seen on the Shin-Ra cago ship) or whatever other part of JENOVA's body they may have been into JENOVA-BIRTH, JENOVA-LIFE, and JENOVA-DEATH, rather than them being Sephiroth Clones that have been forced to transform.

    A small inaccuracy, but wrong nonetheless, is the statement that Dyne gave his pendant to Barret as a means to reach the upper levels of the Gold Saucer. He, in fact, gave it to him to give to Marlene. Barret was able to use it to gain access to the Gold Saucer, however, as Mr. Coates recognized it as being Dyne's and assumed that Barret must have killed him (probably considering him the new "Boss" as a result).

    Another inaccurate point is the statement that the Black Materia was sealed within the Temple of the Ancients, within one smaller structure after the other. In fact, the Temple was the Black Materia, and transforms into it after the sacrifice of the first Cait Sith.

    The article is also wrong in saying that Cloud was unable to resist Sephiroth/JENOVA's control and threw the Black Materia to Sephiroth's body to summon Meteor. In fact, Cloud believed it was his purpose at that point, as he had been convinced he was nothing but a bit of JENOVA that had taken on Cloud's form and assumed his memories based on Tifa's memories of the "real Cloud." Also, he didn't throw it. He just handed it over.


    So the article more or less conveys the story but gets a lot of facts wrong. Overall, it's decent, but not one I would recommend.
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    hm... it took me awhile to read that, but i know where you got it from, though.
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