Stick it to the man, Wyllius.
Stick it to the man, Wyllius.
"... and so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written."
I think that a BLM/SMN would be good since SMN has best magic stats and would be an awesome DD, as a Taru it would rock even more. I also think all tanks should have WAR as a job or subjob simply because of PROVOKE so the PLD/NIN lacks in that effect unless it keeps hate forever which is quite impossible but whatever. DRK/WAR is an obvious choice but I think that a DRK/THF as a Mithra wouldn't be bad, the speed would be really good though it would lack in DMG but with the DRK as main job it would sort of compensate for it. All you need to know is if you want to do all jobs on one character, be a Hume, they're the best for that and have all basic so that you can be good as all jobs. If you want to be a tank be a Galka, they have highest HP and VIT so they tank the best. If you want to be a healer or a magic user/summoner, be a Taru, they have the best magic stats. Thief and high agility jobs should be Mithra because they have the best AGILITY and all those things. Elvaan have highest attack power and some high MIND so they could be good for WAR, DRK, DD NIN, MNK. The choice is yours.
The main problem with blm/smn is that you sacrifice all the self healing benefits of /whm, or the enfeebling options at 66+ with /rdm (dispel) If you are a Taru, MP and INT shouldn't be a problem anyway so /smn's MP boost won't make that much of a difference, unless of course you throw away your MP with no control in that case you need to stop right now and learn about MP conserving.
As for the rest of your guide I disagree to everything, I've seen Tarutaru Paladins who make Galka ones run home in shame.
Skill>Race>Equipment
and high MND is good for a DRK? um...yeah because then his cure on the mob does x10 dmg!!!
I keep reading his post and adding more stuff, so it seems cluttered and messy.
Have you ever seen a bloody DRK/THF in action??
For Feck's sake have you wondered why a large amount of drks go/thf post 60?
I'll give you a hint SATA DAMAGE IS GREAT AND HELPS HATE CONTROL
GodGodGod, MITHRA HAVE THE HIGHEST BASE DEX, TARUTARU HAVE THE HIGHEST AGI
and DO NOT even think of replying with the dex = acc argument, WE JUST CANNOT CONFIRM IT, IT IS RUMOURED AND HAS SOME EVIDENCE, BUT S-E WILL NOT CONFIRM IT, THEREFORE DO NOT TAKE IT AS A FACT.
I need to close this as it is becomming a rant and turning into a flame.
Any race can play ANY JOB, some races have advantages in some fields, magic for taru, melee for elvaan, However, this means diddly squat, your own skill is the deciding factor between a good player and a crap one, race can help, but being a taru doesn't mean you can only be good at a mage.
DRK/THF is significantly weaker than DRK/WAR with /WAR's damage over time ie Berserk and Double Attack = More TP and dmg than just SATA. They sub THF over 60 to avoid too much hate gain, else they would not ever do so.
PLD/NIN has its uses, in ballista or in certain groups.
I highly despise BLM/SMN in normal exp parties, they cannot do anything but nuke, one time everyone could have lived if the BLM had subbed WHM instead, he had all that MP, and nothing to do with it because there was one link after another and with just a little bit more healing to cover me while i rested, things might have turned out better. But he couldnt do a thing and just fell eventually with the entire party. What BLMs dont get is that, when it comes down to Manafont and spell choice, and you are in a desperate situation, more often than not, a Cure spell will be more useful than another nuke spell ever will be.
I always thought its Skill > Equip > Race, with Equip having a little more impact on certain jobs than others.
High MND is generally useless for most aspects except enfeebling.
2DEX is approximately 1 Acc but we dont know how much it gives, so far all we know that its probably the same curve as ATK and STR. And even if it IS true that 2DEX = 1 Acc...getting more Acc gear (LifeBelt and a Verner Ring) is enough and eating Sushi to help you out...and if you need even more Acc i like to question what the hell you are doing.
Taru and Galka at their opposite jobs are usually good if they have the right gear and dedication, more so than those better at them. why? Because alot of the times they HAVE to be just that good, otherwise its either death for them or for the party. They also get different gear compared to some other races of the same lvl and job.
As a WAR taru i did a 127 dmg Sturmwind at lvl 25 ending a Fragmentation Skillchain with 75 dmg while tanking. Its all about the gear and how you use it while juggling hate, no one usually has Sand.Gloves along with Tiger Stole and Courage Rings x 2 to switch to Weapon Skill then immediately go back to Bloodbead Necklace, Chain Mittens and Stamina Rings x 2 while canceling Berserk and throwing Defender out to avoid alot of dmg...there might be some but usually not alot would put in the effort..especially when they are not taru since they dont feel as compelled to get different gear. Then they end up not being as good as the Taru.
And you dont know how compelled i was to get a Neckchopper at lvl 20 refusing to lvl higher until i had it..because of all the ATK and DEF swap Acc from the GAxe was crucial.
Last edited by Lionx; 05-31-2005 at 11:51 PM.
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Theres something called opinion and actual fact that people have parsed and proven throughout other FFXI boards, you might want to look into that. I can think that WAR/SMN is the best as my opinion but that still doesnt mean that actually it sucks.
That's exactly what I said, it's my opinion, he asked what were the best combos and I told him my opinion. Facts don't matter, because the guy said it himself, it's all based on a player's skill. Someone could be a Galka WHM/SMN and kick ass. So I don't care about fact or not, it doesn't matter, it all depends on a player's skill. Now, I said my opinion and screw you if you dont like it, don't make that kind of character.
Galka WHM/SMN espcially after 50 would indeed kick ass if done right.
Although player skill matters, your subjob can hinder that player skill. I mean its not 100% player skill, a PLD/MNK cant hold hate well enough especially during the lower levels despite how good the PLD can be. Everything, from subjobs, to equips, to player skill, determines how good you can be, some more than others. Its like taking a course, you have HW, Finals, and Tests, you would want to get all of those to as best as you can wouldnt you? Doing well in Tests only but not doing the HW may be passable but you wouldnt get a great grade.
And i fail to see how fact does not matter.
Well once again, some things matter more than others. Listening in class>Studying>Doing your homework. At least that's how I work and I always have good grades. It depends on the person mostly, but anyhow. Facts don't matter in this situation because there are so many factors that influence how a character turns out, not only the player, the class, the equip and what not. Every job/sub/race/equip/skill combination would work at some point because each one of them has their individual importance. So basically, facts don't matter here because of that.
What i am saying is that although there are certain sj combinations that work for different situations most situations require a certain set. You make it out to seem that just about every combination can work out as good as the other which is simply not true. Also you said that certain races should be certain jobs as well, DRK/THF mithra doesnt hit any faster than another race for one thing. Facts matter really even in all the situations, because you need facts for every individual one, in fact it should matter more since we are breaching a more general subjob choice and we need to know which sub can effectively do xx in that situation.
What we just did was say why some sj we didnt like for what reason that was all.
I always thought DRG/BRD was a good combo... then again that's my opinion.
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Pfft, everybody knows it's drk/brd for teh win!Originally Posted by SNOOZER
Who said I DD in a PT with my bard.I dont i melee with my bard when i explore and farm so :P and its normally with firends.
People like you who take the game too seriously I mean don't lie to me and say you don't because the caps and your flaming tone says it all.
I would assume that you just literally live FF11 but I'm not that kind of guy.Yell at me again like that and expect to lose my respect and trust in you.
Whatever suit yourself. I don't play FFXI anymore, I have better things to do.
I feel yah there Hroth.
but yeah my reasons for BRD/THF is for RPing reasons.BArds are usually rouges who can do music.BRD/THF seems fitting.BRD/WHM is jsut something a PT leader thought of to make it easy on the mages or somewhat help out a bit and squeeze it and really they set the standard not you.YOu guys just sit there and accept it.Unless you know it would screw a PT over.Simply put BRD/THF does not in anyway screw a PT over.It doesn't give an extra helping boost to one also.But a Bard's job is to play songs and keep up with them.Not go around healing.Thats how bard's attract hate and Bard's have a worse defense than WHMs.Simply put for the true RPers who play how they will like myself we choose osmething we know won't screw over anyone but we still have to keep ourselves in the picture simply put I don't like being pushed around on a game I pay for.Which means I don't like being told what to do and how to play it since i'm paying for it.I'm not a bastard really but when someone looks at my stats and sees that BRD/THF and has something smart to say I give them deaths ear unless they're jsut asking why that.Then I'll tell them why.But if they say "Dont sub it with that blah blah blah you idiot"I tell to to F off and I go on with my business.People like that I don't like I have no respect for,and they're probaly even more critical of poeple in real life.
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