what do you think is the best job combo's for all the jobs? if you could do lvl aswell id be greatful
Job combos
what do you think is the best job combo's for all the jobs? if you could do lvl aswell id be greatful
Warrior:
WAR/MNK, WAR/NIN
Thief:
THF/WAR, THF/MNK (both early on), THF/RNG, THF/NIN
Monk:
MNK/WAR
White Mage:
WHM/BLM, WHM/SMN (for auto-refresh)
Black Mage:
BLM/WHM
Red Mage:
RDM/BLM, RDM/WHM
Paladin:
PLD/WAR
Dark Knight:
DRK/WAR, DRK/THF, DRK/SAM (sometimes)
Ranger:
RNG/WAR, RNG/NIN, RNG/THF
Beastmaster:
BST/WHM
Bard:
BRD/WHM
Ninja:
NIN/WAR
Samurai:
SAM/WAR, SAM/RNG
Dragoon:
DRG/WAR, DRG/SAM (maybe?)
Summoner:
SMN/WHM
It really depends...i wont go into ballista as that is a entirely different ballgame there. General subs for farming are THF or WHM, however theres different ways of doing those as well.
-WAR/MNK is good as a standard tank up until the 60s.
-WAR/NIN is a good standard tank around lvl 51 especially combined with a BRD and they can do decent damage after 40 with a Dual Wield upgrade. Can tank HNMs
-WAR/THF is a good skillchain closer.
-WAR/SAM under certain situations can do good damage especially on lvl 75 parties where you spam WSs and move constantly.
-WAR/RNG is great lvl 30-50ish with Acc up.
-MNK/WAR is the best damage in a exp party
-MNK/WHM vs certain HNMs are great
-THF/WAR is good through all levels
-THF/NIN is great past 24
-THF/MNK before 33.
-WHM/BLM is the standard sub and is great through all levels
-WHM/SMN is a good sub post 50 with Auto Refresh and in HNM fights.
-WHM/RDM is good under 30 and good after 66 for Dispel when you dont have a Dispeller
-WHM/BRD is good after 50 with Ballad when theres no BRD in your party.
-RDM/WHM is accepted as a main healer when theres no WHM or SMN/WHM
-RDM/BLM is an accepted sub for most situations with a WHM or a main healer when you need to focus more on MBs and enfeebling.
-RDM/RNG is a good solo tatic or ballista
-RDM/SMN is...soso not that great, where it has in MP it lacks in abilities and spells
-RDM/BRD is good for fast chaining parties and when you got other mages to pick up where you lack.
-RDM/WAR great for certain BCNM fights, not exp though
-RDM/DRK for Stun in HNM fights
-BLM/WHM is the most recommended sub and most beneficial to the party
-BLM/RDM is good for soloing elementals once Phalanx is acquired and is good for Dispel after 66.
-BLM/SMN is good only for HNM fights but bad for exp parties.
-BLM/NIN is good for Dynamis only.
-PLD/WAR ALWAYS needed in exp party.
-PLD/NIN for certain BCNM fights and ballista
-DRK/WAR under 60 for good damage
-DRK/THF over 60 to avoid death
-DRK/WHM on valkurm dunes to help heal only.
-BST/WHM is a must for solo however they are free to sub whatever they like.
-SAM/WAR is a great damage dealer throughout most levels over time.
-SAM/THF is a great weapon skill closer especially at higher levels and when you load up on STR.
-SAM/RNG is good if you have capped archery and enough ranged accuracy along with good ammo although it might be very hard to hit some things at higher levels.
-RNG/WAR is accepted as a power hitter however they rarely use their power all the way because DEF is paper thin. However its still not a bad sub.
-RNG/NIN is preffered because dual wield is there along with Utsusemi to give tank time to take back hate
-NIN/WAR is a must for tanking
-NIN/RNG is good until the early 40s if you use Guns(expensive).
-NIN/BLM post 51 with Elemental Staves for each spell and will spam alot of powders to do damage(expensive...REALLY expensive).
-DRG/WAR is good throughout all levels.
-DRG/THF is good only as a weapon skill closer even though that is rare to see.
-SMN/WHM is a preffered sub because between bloodpacts healing is the best way to manage that time.
-SMN/RDM is an alternative espeically after 66, WHM is generally preffered though.
-BRD/WHM is preffered for same reason as SMN except that if you are done casting songs magic that is beneficial is helpful
Yeah BRD/WHM is a good combo oyu can also do BRD/THF the only difference between the two combos are
BRD/WHM back p healer once done with songs(which is pretty tough sinc eoyu have to keep up with soungs and look at th mob's health to time hwen to do paeon then make sure the mages have ballad then you can backup heal.The big use for it is that if the PT goes into critical you can do something about it and Brds can take a little hate temp.)
BRD/THF(more loot,more gil from fights,a bit of less work on your behalf.People are too opinionated and think that BRD/WHM is a always and a must.I've seen 1 or 2 melee bards me being one but they rarely melee and Bards with this job combo tend to keep up with songs better.)
Simply put BRD/WHM and BRD?THF is beneficial for PTs depending on your PT combo.IF theres a BLM and a WHM then BRD/THF will be fine if you have some good DDs and a great tank!
IF you want back up healer in a PT due to having only one mage then PT leaders will look for BRD/WHM's for this purpose.
Most just go with the BRD/WHM combo but BRD/THF isn't a bad thing at all really contorl freaks or stuck up high lv 75 bards on another job tell you what to do.But over all whatever your job is you can sub it with anything you like.Some are effective than others but int he Bard's case really on emeans it can be helpful in rough times the other means you can get mor ebenefits in the timing of songs and the loot! and an extra DD (Sneak attack). witht he BRD/WHM thing in my opinion it takes the whole purpose and fun out of being a Bard(to play songs and give buffs.)
The players that said BRD should be BRD/WHM really werent bard's themselves probaly and just over zealious PT leaders trying to milk a person's jo out as much as they can.The thing with FF11 that irritates me is the fact that there are too many control freaks.Telling people how to play the game and blah blah blah.Really in my PTs any sub job is great as long as the sub job is at a reasonable lvl(doesnt have to be maxed out but should be atleast 5 levels below the max.When I think of WAR/WHM i think hmm? more hate.
I am sorry lordblazer but what you say is totally wrong and would be best classified as a n00b that refuses to learn. The subjob is there to reinforce your main job and help the party out in terms of exp.
I have absolutely no problem with keeping songs up along with healing. Many times i would heal after a song is done because it is needed. As well certain fights (vs goblins for example) would be in need of Bar-elemental spells and i would throw those up as well as curing status effects to help save MP from other mages (since BRD mp isnt as critical). Many a time the melee songs Madrigal and Minuet can be casted with reletive ease as well as Prelude. Ballad is an easy thing to do as well and after that? Either Requiem or Threnody and should there be recast timers healing would be a good way to spend your time.Yeah BRD/WHM is a good combo oyu can also do BRD/THF the only difference between the two combos are
BRD/WHM back p healer once done with songs(which is pretty tough sinc eoyu have to keep up with soungs and look at th mob's health to time hwen to do paeon then make sure the mages have ballad then you can backup heal.The big use for it is that if the PT goes into critical you can do something about it and Brds can take a little hate temp.)
BRD/THF(more loot,more gil from fights,a bit of less work on your behalf.People are too opinionated and think that BRD/WHM is a always and a must.I've seen 1 or 2 melee bards me being one but they rarely melee and Bards with this job combo tend to keep up with songs better.)
THF would only benefit Gilfinder if you fight beastmen and you dont fight beastmen as often as we should. Loot also is moot in terms of exp parties, we are there for exp and not loot. What if theres another THF? You are just wasting potential. The reason is not to fit into your style but to fit into the parties to make it more efficient. /WHM helps the best whereas a /THF does nothing useful. Meleeing also give TP to the mob which depending on the weapon you use, will be the same you get back per hit +3TP and will make the monster fire off more specials. Now you are hindering the party. What would be more efficient? WHM or THF sub for exp? I am sure you can answer that.
Ah now the party would be EVEN more beneficial with WHM sub if it was the best party isnt it? Of course it doesnt matter what you sub because BRDs get parties anyway regardless since they are not a dime a dozen. But i would invite a /WHM over /THF because i know that will give us less downtime.Simply put BRD/WHM and BRD?THF is beneficial for PTs depending on your PT combo.IF theres a BLM and a WHM then BRD/THF will be fine if you have some good DDs and a great tank!
BRD/WHM can never be backup healer and its never why we look for a BRD, its for the efficiency the BRD can give us and WHM sub will greatly help in that regard. BRD is all about oiling the gears, and WHM sub is just helping that.
And Sneak Attack for 10 dmg! >_> I am sure that helps...only gets worst as you get higher.
I am a BRD myself at least up to level 31ish and i know how the thing works. As a party leader its not about control freaks, its about the effiency and the benefit of you being the party and sometimes the right sub can either help or hinder the party, and as leader i must consider that when inviting every party member, and i call that responsible. There are overzealous leaders but they dont go beyond Kazham usually.
Oh yeah when i see WAR/WHM i think that they either lack knowledge of the game, read a bad strategy guide, are lazy, or are just trying to go against the "mold" because they can and have no regard to the party they are supposedly joining. A WAR/MNK can solidify hate in two provokes assuming nothing too extreme happens, WAR/MNK pwns all at lower levels and is defintely better than WAR/WHM...being WAR/MNK and having RNGs provoking and not taking hate off me when i am dying is enough to attest to that.
EDIT: But i disgress, sub whatever you want, its not anyone's fault but your own if you get less exp or hurt the party that way. By no means are job combinations totally rigid, however you must have reason that something like a WAR/SMN is totally stupid, compared to a BLM/WHM.
Originally Posted by lionx
Simply put My whole reason for my post above was to just say its your 12 bucks a month do whatever you like with it.
I don't mind being back up healer when i was doing BRD/THF (which i still kinda am).Mainly because i didnt have enough time to level my WHM from lvl one since i only get an hour of gameplay so really PTS or lvling for me is pretty much rare in my case.
BTW since i use a melee Bard i use a dagger that weakens the mob's defense. less down time more time to play songs lol.
Its personal preferance but with BRD/THF it really doesn't screw over a PT at all is the whole point I was stressing.and hey thats 10 less HP points we have to worry about lol.
Lol no i do not, i know you do BRD/THF but to put the misinformation away is that YES BRD/WHM is more efficient in an exp party than BRD/THF.
The original poster however does not know that i would assume. I also take the game only as serious as i play other games which is not that much unless i want to be good in it. Basicaly for me, playing a game is sorta like playing soccer, why not be the best that you can? Plus this was mainly just to inform the OP, and was not directed to make you feel offended. Maybe you took it too seriously, but i didnt and just wanted to make sure the OP doesnt think that BRD/THF is an equal to BRD/WHM when it definetely isnt.
BRD/THF is ok it doesnt screw over the group is all I'm saying. BRD/WHM is even better i said it myself in my previous point sby pointing out a situation in which te PT is in critical and they need some with WHM subbed the bard!!!!!! boom the bard saves the whole PT lol.
Your right why not be the best oyu can be.But you simply won;t be gimped if oyu did BRD/THF lol plus i do BRD/RDM on my firend's account when he doesnt use it (he;s a lvl 72 Bard and usually does BRD/RDM strange eh?)
Subbing in my opinion is whatever you want out of it and whatever you want to do really.
I could see someone doing WAR/WHM - but only if they're trying to solo, and hasn't unlocked PAL yet. But yeah, to a party, I can't see how that would be anything other than shooting yourself in the foot.
Then again, I'd just go with the MNK sub, kill the monster faster, and then rest between each fight - it's not like you wouldn't be anyway, to recharge the minimal MP you get from the WHM sub. But anyway, that's just my thought on the WAR/WHM combination.
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WAR/MNK would be part of skillchain? If not GAxe Shield Break is great for whiff-fests.
BRD/THF does screw the party over in a sense, not as bad as say a PLD/SMN would but it also does lower exp per hour whether you like it or not for 6 people not only yours.
BRD/RDM is more useful than BRD/THF anyway, BRDs get invited for any reason, and RDM sub is something overlookable because you get at least the Dispel at 66+ to help dispel since Finale isnt up as fast.
Subbing should be for the PARTY, and not you when exping. Its whatever that make your main job that much more better and most people know why there are more in-grinded jobs for exp situations. And unless i see good results with proof that BRD/THF is near on par with a BRD/WHM or RDM, then nyah XD
"BRD/THF does screw the party over in a sense, not as bad as say a PLD/SMN would but it also does lower exp per hour whether you like it or not for 6 people not only yours"
how does it give lower exp?Especially when you dont consider the party set up?
Because as efficient as a BRD can be, a BRD/WHM can still outperform the BRD/THF in terms of lowering downtime in which BRD is there to do. Therefore you lower exp by choosing another sj. It varies from job to job on how much it affects but it does.
At high levels, PLD/NIN is good for Balista (so I hear, and I've seen a few of them around lately).
"... and so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written."
Everybody subs /nin in ballista. >_>
Now I may have quit the game but I still have no tolerance for idiots in FFXI, to the BRD/THF, YOU ARE NOT, AND WILL NEVER EVER BE A DD YOU WILL NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER BECOME A DAMAGE DEALER
YOU ARE A SUPPORT ROLE
SUPPORT ROLE
NOT A DD
NEVER EVER A DD
Now this may sound like a flame but it's not, but for christ's sake, do you really think your pts invite you because you can be a DD? NO! it's because bards are ALWAYS in high demand, it's the ONLY reason you're allowed to exp with such a fecking gimp sub. However it's your money, and I'm sorry you chose bard to level and aren't be taught the value of no exp for days.
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