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    That is the only reason I don't really want like it... but that would be something I wouldn't compromise... Unfortunatly I think you are probably right in that aspect. Thought the gov was supposed to work for the people?


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    It's a very grey area. Whilst peoples privacy should not be infringed in any way, if they are under investigation, with a warrent, there should be instances where details should be requested & submitted. Child Pornography, Hacking etc etc. Conducting illegal activities online should not omit you from the normal course of investigation. Offline, peoples phone records & house can be searched, online the same should apply. This, ofc, raises the Big Brother question, but I feel as long as it isn't abused (and I'm aware it may be), investigations should not be infringed by Privacy Rites as long as the investigations themselves are done legally.

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    This is all bull! If the government wants to know what such and such a person is doing on the net then all they need to do is get a warrent by proving they have probable illegal activities a foot. Same as if they were going to get a wire tap on someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon
    Come on guys grow up seriously. The reason that they card at airports it to make darn sure that no know terrorist is in a position to hijack an airplane.
    How in the world is looking at someone's ID going to magically tell you weather they want to blow a plane up or not? I could just as easlily get on a plane and have thoughts of blowing it up in my head as anyone else. Sheesh.
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    It's a very grey area. Whilst peoples privacy should not be infringed in any way, if they are under investigation, with a warrent, there should be instances where details should be requested & submitted. Child Pornography, Hacking etc etc. Conducting illegal activities online should not omit you from the normal course of investigation. Offline, peoples phone records & house can be searched, online the same should apply. This, ofc, raises the Big Brother question, but I feel as long as it isn't abused (and I'm aware it may be), investigations should not be infringed by Privacy Rites as long as the investigations themselves are done legally.
    You need a search warrant for that and I see no reason why such a law should not extend to online as well.

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    I thought that they could already get a search warrent for that even if it was online. I don't see why they can't do it when RIAA and MPAA have been able to get some information on people through the courts...and stuff.

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    well to start at face value it is breach to the right of privacy.

    secondly it does not prove conspiracy. we shall take the rocks metaphor again.

    bill and ben talk about throwing rocks through people's windows. (not guilty of anything yet). they make a plan to do this (still not guilty). they get a big bag of rocks. (they are now guilty.)

    in a parallel universe one day bill and ben randomly decide one day to collect rocks for fun. they are not guilty here.

    searching the internet for anything that is legal. is well..... legal. i've looked at various bomb making guides. i've discussed guerilla warfare with people, economic and electrical terrorism and the effects there of. not because i am some mad terrorist. but i fear one day it may occour that such knowledge may need to be implemented. but curently i am guilty of nothing. i have commited no crime. when i start stocking up on fertilizer then i will be guilty. until then i am innocent.

    this law kinda infringes on that a little.

    i would hate to have some MI5 man at my door for looking at such materials.

    the internet was made with the idea of free information.

    nowadays if you stick "national security" or "to prevent terrorism" every breach of human rights seems to be okay for some people. this is not so. "for the protection of the people and the state" was gorunds for the nazis, do not allow it to be grounds for the american government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMKA
    Quote Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon
    Come on guys grow up seriously. The reason that they card at airports it to make darn sure that no know terrorist is in a position to hijack an airplane.
    How in the world is looking at someone's ID going to magically tell you weather they want to blow a plane up or not? I could just as easlily get on a plane and have thoughts of blowing it up in my head as anyone else. Sheesh.
    No it's because the government has lists of people it knows are involved in terrorism, so if a person going by that name, or one of the aliases try to board an airplane, the government knows that this guy may very likely be up to no good.

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    the list is far from complete, flawed and unusable. if it was it would be pretty easy to round them all up then and take them to jail?

    and terrorism isn't static. tomorrow i could decide that what i ant to do is blow up a plane. i would collect together fertilizer and other equipment and off we go. the government would have no idea.

    it is a list of "known terrorists" or rather suspected. we've got the remember that cat stevens is on that list as well (lol). that list probbaly amounts to all of 5% of people who would want to blow up a plane. and half that list may well be wrong.

    and..... alot of the suspects names were gained under torture. evidence which is inadmissable under any court of law.

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    Ugh, does this mean I can't look at terrorism hentai anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomethingBig
    Ugh, does this mean I can't look at terrorism hentai anymore?
    Yeah it does, and no more FF7, the game glorifies terrorists (SPOILER)Avalanche is a terrorist organisation.

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