Why does everybody hate Cait Sith?

[Squall of SeeD]

for a start Cait Sith would of turned the temple into the black materia even had we not approved coupled with the fact that he said that he kidnaped marlene and said that he would come along even if they didnt want him to...

I doubt he actually kidnapped her in the manner that he implied. I don't see Reeve as the type who would have kicked down the door of Elmyra's house with a swarm of gun-toting soldiers behind him to capture a little girl. He probably very simply just told Elmyra that she and Marlene would be safer in Kalm and offered them an escort to get there.

I didn't get the impression that Marlene was terrified when Cait Sith let her voice come through the radio he held in the Gold Saucer. She seemed more surprised than anything to be hearing their voices, especially Aerith's.

i do like him for the fact that he would do anything for his people... had (SPOILER)Reeve joined the party himself instead of haveing some big stuffed mog in your party the fact of the matter no matter how many times he could of died he would still have a replacement anyway, if (SPOILER)Reeve would have come out to the front line himself he would have earned my respect but he never did so i dont like him.

They never really went back toward Midgar until Disc 2, at which time (SPOILER)Reeve was going to go with them himself, but (SPOILER)the Shin-Ra soldiers had arrested him already and were still after him, so he had been taken in by some of Midgar's citizens:

(SPOILER)::Cait Sith comes back online::

Barret
"Well lookey-here. The Shinra manager's come back."

::Cait Sith stands up and goes over to the group and bows::

Cait Sith
"Uh, excuse me but..."
"I wanted to come with the main group, but I couldn't get
away......"
"So some people in Midgar took me in."

::He straightens back up::

Cait Sith
"I know I have a stuffed animal body, but I'll work really hard!"

So it's not really like he didn't want to. Besides, (SPOILER)being in Midgar allowed him to make sure everyone got in the Slums when Meteor started coming down, so it was probably best that he stayed there.

one thing i dont understand is when at the end of disk 2 he goes to midgar to check on his people when he should of already been there?

What scene are you referring to? They go to Midgar the first time because Diamond WEAPON was flying toward it and they were trying to protect it. They go back because Hojo went insane and was going to fire upon the Northern Crater with the Sister Ray a second time, putting Midgar in danger.

[Raistlin]

Save it up for Emerald Weapon.

I'd prefer to actually fight Emerald Weapon, and, y'know, play the game.

[DMKA]

I'd prefer to actually fight Emerald Weapon, and, y'know, play the game.

You're weird.

[Erdrick Holmes]

Save it up for Emerald Weapon.

I'd prefer to actually fight Emerald Weapon, and, y'know, play the game.

"Fighting emerald" is the biggest oxymoron snece "Fun-Run". You don't fight the sucker, you let it assrape you.

[Raistlin]

Only if you're thick enough not to notice at least one of the strategies to which he can readily be beaten. Hell, I've beaten him without any materia equipped at all.

[Carl the Llama]

for a start Cait Sith would of turned the temple into the black materia even had we not approved coupled with the fact that he said that he kidnaped marlene and said that he would come along even if they didnt want him to...

I doubt he actually kidnapped her in the manner that he implied. I don't see Reeve as the type who would have kicked down the door of Elmyra's house with a swarm of gun-toting soldiers behind him to capture a little girl. He probably very simply just told Elmyra that she and Marlene would be safer in Kalm and offered them an escort to get there.

If an old man comes and says come into my car i have candy to a child in a playground or something like that it doesnt require the force your talking about, and even if he didnt do that, who said it was him who kidnaped her in the first place, kidnapping is the work of Turk's not some shinra manager.

I didn't get the impression that Marlene was terrified when Cait Sith let her voice come through the radio he held in the Gold Saucer. She seemed more surprised than anything to be hearing their voices, especially Aerith's.

the fact of the matter was not weather she was treated well, in fact if she wasnt treated with utmost care and respect im sure they would do anything to get her back... its a fact that even if your kept in a palace against your own will it also is a prison no matter how well they are treated and if they didnt let Cait Sith come along they would have taken action against the group by do somthing to Marlene

i do like him for the fact that he would do anything for his people... had (SPOILER)Reeve joined the party himself instead of haveing some big stuffed mog in your party the fact of the matter no matter how many times he could of died he would still have a replacement anyway, if (SPOILER)Reeve would have come out to the front line himself he would have earned my respect but he never did so i dont like him.

They never really went back toward Midgar until Disc 2, at which time (SPOILER)Reeve was going to go with them himself, but (SPOILER)the Shin-Ra soldiers had arrested him already and were still after him, so he had been taken in by some of Midgar's citizens:

(SPOILER)::Cait Sith comes back online::

Barret
"Well lookey-here. The Shinra manager's come back."

::Cait Sith stands up and goes over to the group and bows::

Cait Sith
"Uh, excuse me but..."
"I wanted to come with the main group, but I couldn't get
away......"
"So some people in Midgar took me in."

::He straightens back up::

Cait Sith
"I know I have a stuffed animal body, but I'll work really hard!"

So it's not really like he didn't want to. Besides, (SPOILER)being in Midgar allowed him to make sure everyone got in the Slums when Meteor started coming down, so it was probably best that he stayed there.

one thing i dont understand is when at the end of disk 2 he goes to midgar to check on his people when he should of already been there?

What scene are you referring to? They go to Midgar the first time because Diamond WEAPON was flying toward it and they were trying to protect it. They go back because Hojo went insane and was going to fire upon the Northern Crater with the Sister Ray a second time, putting Midgar in danger.

im refering to the sceen where cloud says to everyone on the highwind
(SPOILER)Cait Sith: Shinra's...... finished.

Cloud: Meteor's gonna fall in about......

Red XIII: Seven more days. That's what Grandfather said.

Cloud: Red XIII...... You want to see everyone in Cosmo Canyon again?

Red XIII: .........yes.

Cloud: (to Barret) You want to see Marlene, right?

Barret: Don't ask me that.

Cloud: We'll beat Sephiroth... Then, if we don't release the power of
Holy in seven days...... There won't be a planet left to protect. If we
can't beat Sephiroth... It's as good as death for us. We'll just go a
few days sooner than the rest who'll die from Meteor.

Barret: Don't be thinkin' you're gonna lose before you even fight!

Cloud: No! What I meant was... What are we all fighting for? I want us
all to understand that. Save the planet... for the future of the
planet... Sure, that's all fine. But really, is that really how it is?
For me, this is a personal feud. I want to beat Sephiroth. And settle
my past. Saving the planet just happens to be part of that. I've been
thinking. I think we all are fighting for ourselves. For ourselves...
and that someone... something... what ever it is, that's important to
us. That's what we're fighting for. That's why we keep up this battle
for the planet.

Barret: You're right... It sounds cool sayin' it's to save the planet.
But I was the one who blew up that Mako Reactor...... Lookin' back on
it now, I can see that wasn't the right way to do things. I made a lot
of friends and innocent bystanders suffer... ...At first, it was
revenge against Shinra. For attackin' my town. But now...... Yeah. I'm
fightin' for Marlene. For Marlene... For Marlene's future... Yeah... I
guess I want to save the planet for Marlene's sake...

Cloud: Go and see her. Make sure you're right, and come back. All of
you. Get off the ship and find out your reasons for yourselves. I want
you to make sure. Then I want you to come back.

Cid: Maybe ain't none of us'll come back. Meteor's gonna kill us
anyway. Let's just forget any useless struggling!

Cloud: I know why I'm fighting. I'm fighting to save the planet, and
that's that. But besides that, There's something personal too... A very
personal memory that I have. What about you all? I want all of you to
find that something within yourselves. If you don't find it, then
that's okay too. You can't fight without a reason, right? So, I won't
hold it against you if you don't come back.

Everyone left, then with Cloud and Tifa solo...

[ShunNakamura]

Oh sure what he did is still kidnapping. However, the party would not have allowed him to join and be of service if he did not do it. He knew that. He got the ends that were needed and he did it(imo) in one of the most humane ways possible.

He is simply proficent while doing as little harm as possible. That deserves respect, imo.

[Squall of SeeD]

who said it was him who kidnaped her in the first place, kidnapping is the work of Turk's not some shinra manager.

My point was, he didn't give the impression that he would have had her forcefully taken unless necessary, probably looking for a way that would keep both her and Elmyra calm when taking them to Kalm.

the fact of the matter was not weather she was treated well, in fact if she wasnt treated with utmost care and respect im sure they would do anything to get her back... its a fact that even if your kept in a palace against your own will it also is a prison no matter how well they are treated and if they didnt let Cait Sith come along they would have taken action against the group by do somthing to Marlene

I was suggesting that Elmyra and Marlene were taken to Kalm under the pretense of keeping them safe. That is, without realizing they were prisoners, and, thus, preventing them from being terrified or some such thing.

im refering to the sceen where cloud says to everyone on the highwind
(SPOILER)[Scene from the game where everyone leaves the Highwind]

(SPOILER)Yes, I know that. And as I pointed out, the next morning, Reeve states that he wanted to come with them, but he couldn't get out of Midgar and was taken in by some citizens.

[Carl the Llama]

who said it was him who kidnaped her in the first place, kidnapping is the work of Turk's not some shinra manager.

My point was, he didn't give the impression that he would have had her forcefully taken unless necessary, probably looking for a way that would keep both her and Elmyra calm when taking them to Kalm.

the fact of the matter was not weather she was treated well, in fact if she wasnt treated with utmost care and respect im sure they would do anything to get her back... its a fact that even if your kept in a palace against your own will it also is a prison no matter how well they are treated and if they didnt let Cait Sith come along they would have taken action against the group by do somthing to Marlene

I was suggesting that Elmyra and Marlene were taken to Kalm under the pretense of keeping them safe. That is, without realizing they were prisoners, and, thus, preventing them from being terrified or some such thing.

even so, shinra took her prisoner (even if she didnt know they were) and what I dont get is what would they have to keep her safe from? cmon think about it, if a company came along that was responsible for takeing (SPOILER)Aerith away and that same company came along and said to you come to kalm its safer there. would you trust them, I know I wouldnt and if you mean to kill do you "give off the impression" that you intended to kill them, jus because you think you know someone doesnt mean that you do after all he does work for the shinra and if he is a man of honner he should of never taken that action against them.

im refering to the sceen where cloud says to everyone on the highwind
(SPOILER)[Scene from the game where everyone leaves the Highwind]

(SPOILER)Yes, I know that. And as I pointed out, the next morning, Reeve states that he wanted to come with them, but he couldn't get out of Midgar and was taken in by some citizens.

Thats not what I was questioning, I was questioning why Cait Sith went to Midgar as (SPOILER)Reeve was already there? I wasnt questioning why he didnt come

[ShunNakamura]

*scratches head*... hmm. that is a good question.

Perhaps he brought the puppet back so that he could perform basic maintanace on it before the final battle?

[Squall of SeeD]

even so, shinra took her prisoner (even if she didnt know they were) and what I dont get is what would they have to keep her safe from? cmon think about it, if a company came along that was responsible for takeing (SPOILER)Aerith away and that same company came along and said to you come to kalm its safer there. would you trust them, I know I wouldnt and if you mean to kill do you "give off the impression" that you intended to kill them, jus because you think you know someone doesnt mean that you do after all he does work for the shinra and if he is a man of honner he should of never taken that action against them.

I see your point, though what I was getting at is that I don't think he intended to harm them in the first place. He knew Barret and Cloud would let him stay with them at suggesting that Marlene would be in danger.

As for what he would tell Elmyra about her staying safe, in that situation, personally I wouldn't have told her "Hey, I'm from Shin-Ra. Please trust me?" I would have said "I'm a member of AVALANCHE, the Shin-Ra resistance movement. You met some of our people a few days ago. They freed your daughter from the Shin-Ra building and are currently on the run. Shin-Ra may seek retribution against you, so I suggest you come with us to a safehouse."

Granted, we don't know how he actually handled that situation, but I doubt it was in such a way as to scare them [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]less.

Thats not what I was questioning, I was questioning why Cait Sith went to Midgar as (SPOILER)Reeve was already there? I wasnt questioning why he didnt come

After Shin-Ra was crushed? Cait Sith didn't go to Midgar. It sat on the Highwind offline all night and Reeve turned it back on in the morning.

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

It was? Do they say that in the Japanese version? Or, are you just supposed to assume it went offline b/c it doesn't make sense he would go to Midgar.

[Carl the Llama]

Quick question for you Squall, if he was arrested by the Shin-Ra how was it posible to for him to continue controling the mog? dont you think that they would of taken it away?

[Squall of SeeD]

It was? Do they say that in the Japanese version? Or, are you just supposed to assume it went offline b/c it doesn't make sense he would go to Midgar.

I seem to recall it sitting on the bridge on the Highwind, and as everyone came back, it turned back on and Barret said "Well lookey-here. The Shinra manager's come back." Then Cait Sith bounces over, bows, and (SPOILER)Reeve explains why he wasn't able to come himself.

Quick question for you Squall, if he was arrested by the Shin-Ra how was it posible to for him to continue controling the mog? dont you think that they would of taken it away?

He obviously got away from the soldiers who arrested him. He then fled but wasn't able to get out of the city. Thus, he was taken in by some citizens. He explains this, though we're left to assume he broke away from the soldiers who grabbed him:

Cait Sith
"Uh, excuse me but..."
"I wanted to come with the main group, but I couldn't get
away......"
"So some people in Midgar took me in."

[Weimar Pluto Knight VII]

Hey I thought of something. How can (SPOILER)Cait Sith say something in the ending about Midgar after Meteor's been trashing it if Reeve is in Midgar?