View Poll Results: Do Emerald and Ruby Deserve to Die?

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  • They Both Do.

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  • Ruby Does.

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  • Emerald Does.

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  • Neither Of Them.

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Thread: Do Emerald and Ruby Deserve Their Fate?

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    of course they should be destroyed... need is not the right word. I mean, did cloud need to try and save the earth, no technically not, he should try to save the world, but he didn't need to.
    AND, neither weapon is difficult, I don't know how many times I have to say this about Ruby but you can cast STOP on him, or use Hades, it works. Then he's a sitting duck, or sitting weapon if you'd prefer. Emerald is easy too, even in under 20 minutes.

    As for the homo sapien argument, it's stupid. Who cares if we call ourselves human, we invented the language we use anyways, so who says homo sapien is even a justified word for us to use. It really doesn't mean anything, cause think about it. The first word wasn't defined, and was used to create other words, which defined other words, and so on. Therefore, language is based off of something completely undefined. SO technically, I didn't really just say anything.

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    Yes. I wish they both burn in hell...

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    Everyone's so mean! The Weapons also have feelings!

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    We were under the impression they were housing terrorists and weapons of mass destruction; they weren't but the oil- er Gold Chocobo and Master Materia were nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
    Everyone's so mean! The Weapons also have feelings!
    didnt you read my previous post?
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    I think youll find that if you fly above ruby he will attack you automatically but... I thought they were being controlled by Sephiroth I cant remember the details much as its been a long time but if he didnt have control of them I believe that they shouldn't have died as they were weapons of the planet so basicly they were only trying to do what was best for the planet... dont forget that they did wipe out humans at the end of the game so the reason they attacked us in the first place because they saw us killing the planet they were trying to defend so in other words I dont believe any of them (Diamond/Ultima etc) deserved thier fate.

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    I meant everyone else.

    It's good that atleast SOMEONE agrees with me.

    Both Sapphire Weapon Diamond Weapon died bravely like heroes!

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    The Truth...

    The planet created the Weapons to battle Jenova, but the planet managed to get her its self. So the Weapons went into Hibernation. From the start the planet knew that it couldn't control them, but created them to keep Jenova down, as they'd supposedly go to her first. When Shinra arrived they could sense the Malice, Murder and Corruption. (I think Cloud said Diamond could smell murder when trying to protect Midgar from it's onslaught.) The Weapon [Diamond] was also trying to only kill the evil Shinra people, as it ignored Cloud and group after said Cloud and group taught it a little lesson. Cloud and his group were just trying to prevent the Weapon from Killing/ Hurting innocent people. I personally think the Weapons were evil, but often sensed the will of Cloud's group when they beat them up. As one left after Cloud and group beat it up when protecting Mideel. That's all I'll say for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BudSoda02
    The planet created the Weapons to battle Jenova, but the planet managed to get her its self.
    Actually, a few of the surviving Cetra are the ones that managed to confine JENOVA. The WEAPONs were the Planet's means of trying to deal with the creature.


    Quote Originally Posted by BudSoda02
    The Weapon [Diamond] was also trying to only kill the evil Shinra people, as it ignored Cloud and group after said Cloud and group taught it a little lesson. Cloud and his group were just trying to prevent the Weapon from Killing/ Hurting innocent people. I personally think the Weapons were evil, but often sensed the will of Cloud's group when they beat them up.
    The WEAPONs intentions were to eradicate all life on the surface of the Planet, as we're told in-game.

    Here's something I wrote on the matter:
    Quote Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
    An often-raised question concerning Final Fantasy VII is "Why did the WEAPONs behave in the manner that they did?" This is asked due to them having been created to protect the Planet, yet we typically only ever find them attacking the Homo Sapien populace, whereas Meteor is the threat at hand. Further, it is JENOVA/Sephiroth who would likely cause the death of the Planet once Meteor had struck by asborbing the Spirit Energy that the Planet would send to heal the wound rendered by Meteor. One major point of curiosity is why the WEAPONs make no attempt to penetrate the barrier around the Northern Crater (or blast their way under it) and seek to attack JENOVA/Sephiroth. Here, I will attempt to answer these questions and explain the behavior of the WEAPONs.

    Quite simply, the WEAPONs were an automated defense system that the Planet had originally created to defend itself from the Crisis from the Sky, JENOVA. However, due to a small band of Cetra confronting and confining the Crisis, it was no longer necessary to use the WEAPONs and they were placed into a state of hibernation, to awaken again should the Planet face a crisis from JENOVA or another threat:

    (From the Original Crisis Report tapes at Icicle Inn)
    Professor Gast
    "Ifalna, can you comment on the thing called 'Weapon'?"

    Ifalna
    "Yes, Professor."
    "The one the Professor mistook for a Cetra... was named Jenova.
    That is the 'crisis from the sky'."
    "The Planet knew it had to destry the 'crisis from the sky'..."
    "You see, as long as Jenova exists, the Planet will never be able to fully heal itself."

    Professor Gast
    "Back then, Weapon was a weapon the Planet produced of its own will?"

    Ifalna
    "Yes, but... There is no record of Weapon ever being used."
    "A small number of the surviving Cetra defeated Jenova, and confined it."
    "The Planet produced Weapon... But it was no longer necessary to use it."

    Professor Gast
    "So, Weapon no longer exists on the Planet?"


    Ifalna
    "Weapon cannot vanish. ...It remains asleep somewhere on the Planet."
    "Even though Jenova is confined, it could come back to life at some time..."
    "The Planet has not fully healed itself yet. It is still watching Jenova."
    Once placed into hibernation, they would only activate during times in which the Planet's crisis level was high enough that the Planet itself might be in danger. Once activated, however, rather than seeking out the cause of the threat to the Planet and targeting it, they would destroy everything. Not just anything that might pose a potential threat to the Planet, as is often believed to be the case, but everything that was alive. They had no programming pertaining to the effect of "Seek out the cause of the planetary crisis and eliminate it." The programming was simply "Annihilate anything that's alive." We know this because of what information Hojo reveals concerning the WEAPONs at the Northern Crater before Meteor is summoned:

    Hojo
    "Weapon..."
    "Then it really does exist... I didn't believe in it."

    Rufus
    "What does this mean?"

    Hojo
    "...Weapon. Monsters created by the Planet."
    "It appears when the Planet is in danger, reducing everything to nothingness."
    "That's what was stated in Professor Gast's report."

    We are further able to ascertain this conclusion due to behavior of the WEAPONs that is mostly never shown, but is indicated either through dialogue or through us witnessing their visual results:

    (When Tifa wakes up in Junon, a week after Meteor has been summoned.)
    Tifa
    "How long... was I asleep?"

    Barret
    "Lessee now...... Must've been about 7 days."

    Tifa
    "What about Sephiroth?"

    Barret
    "You ain't over it yet. Remember that huge light, in the Northern Cave?"

    Barret
    "Since then, the crater's been surrounded by a huge barrier of light."
    "Everyone knows Sephiroth sleeps in that big hole, protected by the barrier."
    "We can't do a damn thing about it. We just gotta wait till he wakes up."

    Barret
    "And on topa that, some huge monster called Weapon's been on a rampage."

    Tifa
    "...Weapon?"

    Barret
    "Remember that huge monster that was made with Sephiroth, at the bottom of the crater?"
    "Well it's up here now. They say it's some legendary monster from the past."

    Tifa
    "Weapon... is protecting Sephiroth?"

    Barret
    "Dunno. But he's up here goin' around tearin' [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] up."
    From this, we can ascertain that Hojo's information concerning WEAPON is correct, as Sapphire WEAPON, at the least, is going about attacking randomly ("...he's up here goin' around tearin' [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] up"). That the WEAPON had specific targets is not implied.

    Something else to consider is Ultimate WEAPON's behavior, of which we can see both the results after the fact in one case, and the results as they occur in another. First to note is that once Meteor has been summoned and AVALANCHE acquires the Highwind, the area in front of Junon now features a giant crater into which the sea has flooded due to the Planet's surface in the area having been ravaged all the way out to the ocean. There was once a forest (full of life; full of Spirit Energy; take note of this for a matter to be brought up soon) in this location that has since been utterly destroyed, and Ultima WEAPON is found on Disc 3 of the game hovering over this crater, indicating that the WEAPON is what caused the damage to the Junon area:

    Ultimate WEAPON near Junon.

    Something of further consideration is that Ultimate WEAPON made an assault on Mideel, an area of the world in which its residents lived relatively in harmony with nature. Granted, they would have used trees to create their villages' structures, but for the most part, they were posing no threat to the Planet. There wasn't even a Mako Reactor on the entire continent on which Mideel resides, and the closest one would have been on the eastern continent at Fort Condor, with that Mako Reactor having long since fallen into disservice. In other words, the people of Mideel were no threat to the Planet and there must have been another reason for attacking them.

    Here we come to the matter I previously mentioned in regard to the forest that Ultimate WEAPON destroyed: The link between both of these areas that posed no threat to the Planet were that they both contained Spirit Energy in the living beings present.

    We already know based on what Hojo said concernin Gast's report and the behavior we see demonstrated by the WEAPONs that they will reduce "everything to nothingness" indiscriminantly, except in regard to differentiating between living targets/areas populated with life, and non-living targets/areas not populated with life. The WEAPONs' targets are creatures that contain Spirit Energy.

    As for why this may be so, the WEAPONs only arise when the Planet itself is facing a crisis. During such a time, what would likely be of greatest importance to the Planet overall is its own survival. Thus, in having the WEAPONs annihilate all living things, they would be causing Spirit Energy to return to the Planet and add more strength to the Lifestream. For evidence of such a concept, we can look to Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis, in which Fuhito of AVALANCHE -- attempting to assassinate President Shinra -- tells the despotic corporation's head that his death will be of benefit the Lifestream:

    Fuhito
    Heh heh. So we meet again, President Shinra. There’s no need to fear. Your death will release your soul into the Lifestream and help this planet.
    (Note: For a translation of Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis' script, refer to this website: Gunshot Romance.)

    Based on all of this, we can conclude that the behavior of the WEAPONs was not to target the source of the threat to the Planet, but to annihilate all life, strengthening the Lifestream.
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    Yes they deserve to die....basically for 2 reasons....

    A. They are supposed to die.....thats what they are there for....

    B. I want to kill them...and can kill them...

    Gimme a break!
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    Wow, most impressive, Squall of SeeD!

    ...but I still don't think they deserved to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Shadow
    No Weapon deserves to die! I love them all as if they were my own children! They are my cutie-cuties!

    I actually found the unavoidable deaths of Diamond and Sapphire Weapon to be extremely tragic...
    Well if they are your children and cuties, then I am sorry to say but I have killed all your weapon children, AND IT FELT GOOD!!!!

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    I think they don't deserve any credit, only for been powerful & bitches to kill. Although it appears they're not doing anything, you can tell that Ruby Weapon is going to destroy the Gold Saucer & Emerald Weapon is going to cause some havoc in the ocean. Emerald desrves no sympathy most of all 'cause it just bumps into you most of the time. I recall bumping into it about 7 times when I didn't want to, I was just going to the sub & it's there!

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    i remember at one point i was so [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] sacred of emerald i woudkl trvael acroos the oceans surface to the other side and submerge by the goldne saucer dock, to avoid emerald.....only to crash into the bitch by the plane........damn sneaky SOB........so yeah...

    they do deserve to die...very painfully.....very slowly.....muhahhahaa

    Gimme a break!
    There is no good without evil.....
    ....So..Is it good to be evil or evil to be good

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    I have a 2 save files. One the is almost finish in crater, waiting to kill sephiroth. And the other file, to play any time I want to kill emerald and ruby weapon agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian and agian!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ~In our hearts...lies evil~
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    I still didn't beat them, but they'll deserve it when I do..

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