Why do we have our third world of Ivalice? We had FFT, and FFT:A, not FFXII... I like the name, but come on? Has square begun to simply run out of ideas?
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Why do we have our third world of Ivalice? We had FFT, and FFT:A, not FFXII... I like the name, but come on? Has square begun to simply run out of ideas?
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I dont think so I think square is just nameing it Ivalice in the hopes ppl will buy it because it takes place in the same world as FFT which IMHO is the best FF so squares not running out of ideas there just to lazy to come up with new worlds I wouldnt be suprised if we saw another game that takes place on Spira too
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So... they introduce a brand new battle system, new designs for moogles, a brand new story and brand new characters, and because it's set in the same world as another game, they've run out of ideas.
That is, quite simply, the stupidest thing I have ever heard in these forums.
They're using Ivalice because they want to. How hard is it to come up with a new world? It isnt. They didnt even start giving the worlds names until Ivalice and Spira.
I guess FF fans just need something to bitch about.
He didn't say they ran out of ideas, he said they were running out of ideas. As in they don't have the same amount of ideas as they used to. The new idea bar is on the decline. This fits because they did not make a new world. That is one less new idea. It may seem as though with all these sequals and repeats that square is in fact getting fewer and fewer truly unique ideas.Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix
How is the new idea bar on the decline? They just created a brand new game with a brand new battle system, a new magic system, new characters, and a new world in the sense that they just created that particular world. The ONLY way it mirrors Ivalice is because it's called Ivalice. Its set thousands of years after the Ivalice games we've played. For all we know, ALL the FF games are of the same world (though I doubt it) because they have in common the complete lack of names.
Sequels are also hardly 'running out of ideas'. X-2 was, in fact, a brand new idea. New battle system, and the expansion of a previous story. They'd never done a sequel before. As for AC, BC, CC, and Doc, AC is only the second movie they've done. That's hardly rehashing the same thing over and over. BC is a cellphone game, which they've never done before. CC, cant say as it doesnt have much info. DoC is a shooter, which Square has also never done before (or at least not on the context of FF).
What is unique, anyway? Lets see... FFI was four people saving the world. FFII was four people saving the world. All has to deal with crystals. All FF games have the same basic plot (saving the world) and the same basic battle system. The games have never been wildly different or incredibly innovative, that has never been the draw for FF.
Square is simply damned no matter what they do. No matter what they'd done for FFXII, their fans would bitch about it. For years fans begged Square to make more FFVII. And then when X-2 came out, they exploded because "Hey, X sucked, VII is way better so why dont we get a sequel!?" then they do. Then its "omg Square is running out of ideas, they're just after our money, and so on!!!" It doesnt matter what Square does, they're going to bitch about it.
And to make it perfectly clear, no I am not angry. No I am not pissed off. I'm expressing my opinion.
They like Ivalice, so they're setting FFXII in Ivalice. Ivalice is never exactly the same world anyway, so it's not like they're really repeating anything.
You may as well have said Square was "running out of ideas" in FFIV because they reused the chocobo from FFII and FFIII instead of making a brand new form of animal transportation.
Brand new? That wasn't a "brand new idea", its has the same characters, world, spells, in fact allot of the areas ere almost EXACTLY the same!
FF1 was Orbs and FF2 was crystals. FF1 you had the same characters the entire time. FF2 characters left and joined and blah blah blah. A very different spin I think. The battle system was totally different as well, the leveling up system too.
Well, yeah they are just in it for money, they are a company...what do you expect?
Well, to be perfectly frank, I think your opinion is the stupidest thing I have ever heard on these boards.
-The idea of a sequel was a brand new idea. FF games had never had direct sequels before.
-Alright, so we'll go on to the rest of the games, which have had the exact same battle system. Enemies on one side, characters on the other. Fight fight fight. Different magic systems, same battle system. It varies here and there, but its not brand new everytime.
-I never said they werent. Im well aware that they're making it for money, I'm refering to all those people who say that the Compilation of FFVII was just Square out to make money, as if they hadnt been before.
-Good for you.
The core gameplay and mission system--the actual meat of the game--were indeed brand new.And then FFIII came out and reused the Crystals and job system from FFI. And then FFIV came out and reused the "characters leaving and joining as the plot dictates" mechanic from FFII! And then FFV came out and reused the Crystals and job system again! Square must have been running out of ideas! Or, more likely, they simply willfully reuse elements that they and their customers have enjoyed in the past.FF1 was Orbs and FF2 was crystals. FF1 you had the same characters the entire time. FF2 characters left and joined and blah blah blah. A very different spin I think.
I have nothing against them re-using the same world. Like has been said, it is possible, though unlikely, that they've always been the same world. But considering it's been given a FFT look and world-name. I think its kinda weird that they made it one of the FF games with a number. I think it shoulda been more like FF:something. Not tactics because its not going to be a tactical game. But set in tactics' world. But I get the feeling Square are coming into their own. With FF11 and 12 and Tactics. Not sure how to word this. But some in Square are obviously latching onto the Job-fetish. They see things they've done in the past that they liked. Remixing. Black mages, chocobos, and moogles have always gone through this. Now all the jobs are being thrown in. And the pastel renasaince look of FFT/FF9/FFTA etc. They're not running out of ideas. I think they're trying to keep things familiar, yet fresh. They're remixing the things that some have thought envoked FF. I mean you see a moogle you think FF. Be glad the game even has moogles. Kinda moots the point in bitching that it has moogles because they're unoriginal. They're a trade mark now. Among a lot of other things.
I agree with Abominatrix. if you bothered to learn anything about this game then youd see FFXII is probably one of the most unique FF's so far (and that wasnt stated by Abominatrix, thats my opinion) Seriously, I think its a good thing that Ivalice is being further developed. And yes its definitely the term "further developed" over "recycled" and if you dont know what i mean you should probably read up more on the game you're criticising.
Reuse is very common. Final Fantasy "borrows" ideas from previous incarnations, as well as traditional mythologies. It is very difficult to find a "new idea" anywhere in the world. Sure, once in a while a new idea might come around, but if you really look at it, it is still just an old idea given a new name and a slightly different twist.
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A completely new battle system(one never before used in an FF) does show the lack of ideas. So does a brand new magic system, new characters, and a new story.
Seriously, though, Square works night and day(literally) to give new things to the fans. We get a new and more action-oriented battle system, yet Square's suddenly running out of ideas because they're using a name from one of the previous games? They've been using Biggs and Wedge for God knows how long. OH CRAP! Square must have been running out of ideas for a damn long time. Damn you to hell, Square!
Not to mention Biggs and Wedge came from a whole different series entire (Star Wars), so the idea has never been original! My life is teh over!
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