Nope Im pretty sure they're just moaning for the sake of moaning by now. For the past seven year the fans have been moaning for VII's sequel and now that theyve got four people there are still people complaining that theres too many and that they look stupid etc. People still give out when they try something new. Yes Im aware they might not like the change but more often than not they'll moan because they arent carbon copies of the traditional FF games in system etc. The main problem with most peoples complaints is the company is trying something new regardless of what it is and theres those immature fans who see that as a bad thing. Ive found Squares RPG's and games to be far more enjoyable than the average game and I think theyre a cut above the rest so when enjoyment is almost guaranteed (and Im guarenteeing FXII will be fun to play) people still find something to compplain about. But I dont totally disagree with you, Maybe the fans arent getting whinier, Maybe they always were.