Black Metal Ist Krieg!

[Moose Knight]

I think Black Metal is crappy. I mean, there's a reason that Bathory only released 4 or so BM albums and then switched over.

Anyway, I like Celtic Frost, and a lot of BM bands seem to think they're awesome, even though I don't hear any connection at all.

Arcturus is cool, but only their later, non-BM albums.

The closest thing to BM I like is Finntroll. I've heard some people calling them BM, but I disagree.

****EDIT: Helloween's probably the happiest metal band. Get an early album like Keeper of the Seven Keys. Annoying vocals, but awesome solos.

[Crushed Hope]

Yes...Cradle of Filth are very awful. Heh. Veeery awful.

So what about MayheM & the like... they're not awful?

I love Mayhem's first two albums and most current.

I think Black Metal is crappy. I mean, there's a reason that Bathory only released 4 or so BM albums and then switched over.

Anyway, I like Celtic Frost, and a lot of BM bands seem to think they're awesome, even though I don't hear any connection at all.

Arcturus is cool, but only their later, non-BM albums.

The closest thing to BM I like is Finntroll. I've heard some people calling them BM, but I disagree.

****EDIT: Helloween's probably the happiest metal band. Get an early album like Keeper of the Seven Keys. Annoying vocals, but awesome solos.

Ok. First off, Bathory. The first four albums are just ****ing great. Under The Sign Of The Black Mark \m/

Okay, what do Celtic Frost have to do with Black Metal, they were a thrash/death band but never black metal. Oh and avant-garde but...

Arcturus, everything theyr released are great...especially their later material.

Finntroll, they are folk/black metal. It really isn't about what you consider them to be actually, rather what they play. And well the play folk/black metal. With POLKA INFLUENCES! \M/

As for Helloween being happiest, no. Not a chance. Happiest goes to Dragonforce or Sonata Arctica.

[Pure Strife]

Last I checked with the genre Nazis I know Children Of Bodom were "Power Metal with Harsh Vocals". This is the sort of thing that shows how out of hand all the genre madness can go. Dragonforce are power metal, and I'd say CoB sound fairly different to them, especially on Hate Crew Death Roll (Hatebreeder being my fave CoB album), but do they really need their own sub0sub genre? So even then you're getting genres within genres within genres (more bands will try it now CoB have done it), which is really just daft.

But as for the current list of sub-genres, I'd say they were pretty useful because once you become accustomed to all the different styles they really are quite different. You can't really put Dream Theater next to Opeth (who I despise) because they really do sound very different. I like a bit of Death (Death, Malevolent Creation), Thrash (Megadeth baby, saw them a while back ), Nu (Deftones) and Prog (Dream Theater). None of these bands sound anything alike, and since there are a <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">load of other bands out there that you could say have a sound not too far removed from them, that's where all these extra genres come from. So yeah, that's why I don't think all these genres are totally useless, it's just when you get a band like Children Of Bodom that half the metal world goes to war to classify purely because they think it needs to be classified it becomes daft.

And I bet Cradle Of Filth would be classified differently if their guitarists threw in some mad shred solos here and there.

[Crushed Hope]

Hehe. Children of Bodom are power/speed metal. (Vocals do not have anything to do when classifying genres,I just happened to leave the vocal parts in my post because it is what most people can expect from your average band in each genre.)

Dragonforce are power metal, in its worst form but...still power.

Actually, CoF will be Gothic metal until their entire style changes, hella lot of Gothic metal bands use solos, Type O for example.

[Pure Strife]

If Death metal isn't at least a little about the vocals then it really doesn't differ that much from Thrash. Musically it's just a bit faster with more palm muting.

And Dragonforce are great when you get ignoring their singer down to a fine art.

[Crushed Hope]

Not really. I could listen to Wormed,Necrophagist,and Decapitated all day for one day and then the next listen to Exodus,Anthrax, and Kreator.

There is a big difference aside from vocals. I suggest you do that one day and come back to tell me that they are just playing faster and more palm mutes.

It isn't even about the singer in DF, he is meh but ...

Herman Li needs to learn to play more than just solos. I swear, they are the most boring band ever. Nothing but speedy solos and walls upon walls of double bass.

[Dreddz]

Dragonforce

Oh god I wanted you to say Taskforce, but nooo

[Crushed Hope]

Dragonforce

Oh god I wanted you to say Taskforce, but nooo

Dude. Shut up about rap. If you are not to be on topic then shut up.

[Pure Strife]

I don't even know who Taskforce are.

As for Death Metal my experience is primarily with Death and Malevolent Creation, and a little Athiest. I'll take another look into it eventually.

As for Herman Li, I could listen to him soloing all day. I prefer guitarists like Marty Friedman to this newer generation of mad shredders, but I've been playing guitar for a couple years now and I'm slowly but surely getting the hang of shredding at the moment and it's great listening to madly fast stuff like that. I like Dragonforce because it takes the guitar madness and mixes it up a little with some vocal interludes that stop it getting dull like I find Satch and Vai type material does.

And back on the subject of black metal, I don't like it much because it takes the fast, heavy metal and tries to put an atmosphere behind it. Speed and Thrash are great because it's balls out rock and roll, Black Metal just feels like it sucks the liveliness out of it a bit by messing about with a great formula. Meh, each to their own, I could listen to that new Jem single "Just a Ride" and go straight to Megadeth.

And it's nice to have someone into all this metal knocking about here.

[Moose Knight]

Ok. First off, Bathory. The first four albums are just ****ing great. Under The Sign Of The Black Mark \m/

Okay, what do Celtic Frost have to do with Black Metal, they were a thrash/death band but never black metal. Oh and avant-garde but...

Arcturus, everything theyr released are great...especially their later material.

Finntroll, they are folk/black metal. It really isn't about what you consider them to be actually, rather what they play. And well the play folk/black metal. With POLKA INFLUENCES! \M/

As for Helloween being happiest, no. Not a chance. Happiest goes to Dragonforce or Sonata Arctica.

You've never heard Bm bands point to "the mighty Frost" as one of their influences? They do it all the time, that's why I brought it up (or at least I thought they did). I was just mentioning that I hear no similarity between the thrash mastery or avant garde experimentalism of Celtic Frost and the minimalistic static cocaphony (sounds like it was recorded on an answering machine) of most Black Metal, although there apperently is one.

[Chzn8r]

I like this thread. Bow before metal, fools Nah, I'm not really an elitist. I just love a hell of a lot of metal.
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Oh yeah, and the sub-genre definitions for Metal really are necessary, as you can take the metal guitar/drum sound and go in a million directions with it. Any given genre of metal (power or black or nu, whatever) hardly ever sounds like another, unless the band intends some sort of stylistic mix.

[The Man]

I've only recently gotten into extreme metal, but I'm glad I did; it's more cathartic than most music. The only Black Metal artists I listen to much at this point are Dimmu Borgir, Bathory (although I'm currently more taken by Blood Fire Death/Hammerheart/Twilight of the Gods/Blood on Ice/Nordland than the strictly black metal stuff, although Under the Sign of the Black Mark owns), and Enslaved; I've also been exposed to Opeth and Edge of Sanity recently in the death-metal category, and it's something else.