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    Ok, here's my opinion on your list. You'll note that I hate hard-and-fast rules as much as possible, and would much prefer social pressures.

    1) The key distinction to make is between useful bots that provide a service or do something unique and not annoying, and useless bots that provide repeat services or don't really do anything. There really aren't that many bots at the moment. (Ok, I wrote that line before I actually went through the list. But you made it sound like everyone had a bot or two.) But here's the list as I see it, and their function:
    • Mint: Provides japanese translation service, ping service, and several annoying and pointless kicks. Judgment: Needs some modification, but otherwise useful.
    • Philia: Never speaks, and produces the piespy chart that people occasionally look at it. Given its lack of speaking, its only problem is it takes up a slot on the nicklist. If that's a problem, then... eh, find a new hobby. Judgment: Useful
    • Ragnarok: Provides ChanServ type services. Has a few annoying kicks, but those may or may not be changeable, and really aren't that intrusive. Judgment: Useful, of course.
    • Confeito: Experimental conversation bot. People weren't even supposed to know it's a bot. Anyway, you can ask me personally for more details on how it works. It has no true triggers, per se. Judgment: Who knows. It might start taking up too much RAM for me to keep it here.
    • Chubbzilla (whatever his bot's name happens to be at the time): Doesn't say anything as far as I know. I think it provides something useful, though I don't know what. Judgment: Neutral.
    • Hotaru: shuten's eggdrop. Doesn't really do anything as far as #eoff is concerned. So again, it's only a nicklist slot that's missing.
    • Krabmeat: Not actually in there at the moment, but it's Cbc's. I don't think it does anything useful, other than let Cbc talk when I banned him overnight because I forgot to take it off. ^_^?
    • Skwoo: I don't know what it does. Probably takes up a nick list slot. Oh noes.


    2) As far as Munty's go, it's more of a protection scheme than anything else. A few months ago, we had a little protection war type thing in #waiting_bar, and the protections we came up with were somewhat elaborate. It got really bad in there, actually. I eventually wrote a script to just deop everyone except me. Oh, fun times. But anyway, they only affect trying to attack Munty's clones. They're pretty much useless scripts, though, but getting him to remove them (especially if they're buried in pages of scripts) may or may not be difficult. Ragnarok also has some mass-deop kicks, and I don't know what can be done about that.

    3) Yes, the caps flood, punctuation, and repetition kicks are pointless and stupid. Burn, burn, burn.

    4) This goes back to useful vs. useless. At the very least, if a script doesn't provide useful content to the entire channel (but perhaps to a single person), it should respond with a notice. Most of my scripts did that back when I ran mIRC. That can result in trigger flooding, so private message or ctcp based triggers can be useful too. I had a little used one for my seen script back in the day.

    5) Multiple names isn't really a problem except with some select people (especially FFChatters). But obviously, one person being on pretending to be three is kind of stupid. Just remember that there may be times when two siblings might be on from the same connection or something.

    If there's anything else, I don't know what it is. I'm usually quite lax with what I let people do, and the only thing that can potentially annoy me is lots of kicking or instabanning.

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    I'm not a big fan of the caps and repetition floods, if for no reason other than they don't discourage all caps lines and repetitions. You're going to come across all sorts of personalities in chat, and that includes the super dooper social and even ecstatic types (i.e. Resha). If there are any grumpy lurkers in chat jaded from spending years in IRC chat rooms that find behavior like this too newbish, then I'd say that's something they'd have to deal with themselves. If it's incredibly irritating, then "/ignore is your friend", as I've said on a few occassions. Making the experience a bit more fun for one user at the expense of the enjoyment of another makes little sense to me.

    More importantly, as I said earlier, these kicks do nothing. They don't discourage the sort of activity they're punishing. Never do you see someone get kicked for a caps flood and come back moments later with a changed attitude. Instead, "ExampleChatter was kicked (CAPS Flood)" is immediately followed by "ExampleChatter has joined #eoff" which is then followed by "<ExampleChatter>xD". It's almost a game, one which can encourage this activity because it gets a few laughs from some of the other chatters.

    As for the other points.

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    1) No bots aside from Raggy and Mint. Mint can be used for his translator crap etc. ~Agreed
    I don't see a problem with this one. Bots can be nifty, but Raggy and Mint suffice for the purpose of the #eoff channel. I've never really witnessed a problem with a bunch of users bringing in their own bots, but this isn't a bad rule anyway.

    2) No "Don't do that" rule where if you kick someone, you get kicked. Same for de-opping. If I want to de-op three people in one go, I don't want to get kicked. If I want to op three people, I don't want to get kicked. This should at least apply to all the aops in the room.
    Sure.

    4) No useless triggered scripts. I am happy to be the judge of what is useless and what is not once people start using them and will advise people of how it is useless by either chatting to them or kicking them repeatedly.
    I'm not sure how much I like this one. I'd elaborate, but I can't seem to gather my thoughts into a comprehensible written explanation. Maybe later when I wake up a bit more and my head's a little clearer.

    5) Only one second name (Mint and Raggy don't count as clones as they are bots) per user at most. Not from the same PC, please. That's just silly.
    Sounds alright to me, I guess. Second names and all that jazz don't really bother me either way, but I don't see much use for them at the same time. I'd chalk it up to freedom of choice, but I see the reasons for the rule against it.

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    Dude, also take off the 4 lines per 4 seconds kick, pleeeeeeease *_* I'm always getting kicked for that. I just type fast..ly... *dies* Make it like six lines per four seconds, I can deal with that ^_^


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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey
    Dude, also take off the 4 lines per 4 seconds kick, pleeeeeeease *_* I'm always getting kicked for that. I just type fast..ly... *dies* Make it like six lines per four seconds, I can deal with that ^_^
    No. That's one thing I think is there for good reason. Learn to avoid the 'Enter' or 'Return' key and just use the ". " as replacement.
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    Also, it looks like the bot that makes me an op when I sign on is broken.
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    Since when is four lines in four seconds style?
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    I dunno, it just sounded like a good thing to say What's Lakov?

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    Never you mind. *pats* I'm stuck in Aiyon mode.
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    Though I'm not in #eoff as a lot of you, I'd have to generally agree. The repetition kicks and Cap Flood kicks are very often extremely annoying. I've always liked Welcome Back scripts because they're usually funny. I'd want one of my own, if only I ever said something original.

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    Confeito: Experimental conversation bot. People weren't even supposed to know it's a bot. Anyway, you can ask me personally for more details on how it works. It has no true triggers, per se. Judgment: Who knows. It might start taking up too much RAM for me to keep it here.
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    The 4 lines per 4 seconds is a server kick, not a channel kick. BoB has no jurisdiction over that. Only the FFChat administrators do.

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    1) No bots aside from Raggy and Mint. Mint can be used for his translator crap etc.
    I have no problem with all of Munty's clones, if he could take all of their scripts (!pie, for example) and stick them on Mint, that would be splendid, and take up less room on the nicklist. No other bot really does stuff.
    2) No "Don't do that" rule where if you kick someone, you get kicked. Same for de-opping. If I want to de-op three people in one go, I don't want to get kicked. If I want to op three people, I don't want to get kicked. This should at least apply to all the aops in the room.
    Doesn't really apply to me. Meh.
    3) No caps flood kick, no punctuation flood kick. If someone is going to be an arse then we can kick them ourselves or we can ban them if they do it too often.
    Yaaay. I don't really get kicked a whole lot, because I don't type in caps or use too much punctuation, but I'd really like it if shuten's banning thing for punctuation flood was turned off, because that's extremely annoying. Like other people have said, it doesn't help to discourage the behavior in any way.
    4) No useless triggered scripts. I am happy to be the judge of what is useless and what is not once people start using them and will advise people of how it is useless by either chatting to them or kicking them repeatedly.
    Aw, there's nothing wrong with !vin_diesel.
    5) Only one second name (Mint and Raggy don't count as clones as they are bots) per user at most. Not from the same PC, please. That's just silly.
    I don't really care about this one, either.

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