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    I wonder what this country (the U.S.A.) is coming to sometimes. At school, students are regularly denied basic constitutional rights. We get punished if we speak our thoughts (if they do not conform to the school's ideals) and we are constantly ordered around. Yet in the U.S. Constitution the Freedoms of Speech, to express your ideas, and many others are CLEARLY granted to all U.S. citizens. So the question arises: are minors not citizens, or even people?

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    Minors don't have all the rights that adults have, but you'll have those rights when you are an adult, because you will become one. Sometimes I do think schools limit students' voices a little too far, I'll agree with you there...but I mean, marriage and voting are citizenship rights too, and minors don't have those for obvious reasons.
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    are minors not citizens, or even people?
    They are indeed people, but not fully-fledged citizens. Also, please note that every right has its limits, and no right is infinite or irevocable.
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    alrights should be irevocable should they not?

    has the lesson not been learnt that revoking rights is possibly not a great idea?

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    alrights should be irevocable should they not?
    Rights are always given, and therefore can be revoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by War Angel
    Rights are always given, and therefore can be revoked.
    No, those are priviledges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Unknown Guru
    I wonder what this country (the U.S.A.) is coming to sometimes. At school, students are regularly denied basic constitutional rights. We get punished if we speak our thoughts (if they do not conform to the school's ideals) and we are constantly ordered around. Yet in the U.S. Constitution the Freedoms of Speech, to express your ideas, and many others are CLEARLY granted to all U.S. citizens. So the question arises: are minors not citizens, or even people?
    What rights are being denied? Even freedom of speech has limitations. Especially when it interrupts everyone's right to learn in school.

    Also, you will find yourself being ordered around to a much greater extent when you get a real job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glendon
    Also, you will find yourself being ordered around to a much greater extent when you get a real job.
    Jobs are not mandatory. If you do not show up for work there will not be a man at your door ready to bring you there, forceful if deemed necesary.

    Thing about adults is, there are more orders that they can decide not to follow. Kids go to school, do their homework, go to bed. No say in the matter. An adult can have any lifestyle in the millions of different choices there are. The bottom line though...there is no other way to do it that works this well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TasteyPies
    Kids go to school, do their homework, go to bed. No say in the matter.
    Wow, the world has changed drastically in the last 3 years then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMKA
    Quote Originally Posted by TasteyPies
    Kids go to school, do their homework, go to bed. No say in the matter.
    Wow, the world has changed drastically in the last 3 years then.
    Most parents give maybe 2-4 hours a day back, but 2-4 out of the 24 hours in a day is sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by TasteyPies
    Most parents give maybe 2-4 hours a day back, but 2-4 out of the 24 hours in a day is sad
    If that's so horrible they can have themselves emancipated, and then go out and live on their own on whatever money they can make without an education.

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    i sometimes think we'd be better off living in japan.
    because of the congress, u know?
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    Yes, they are. F--- what my brother, Maddox,*or anyone else says.

    *-I know I probably made a few s---lists, but that's how I feel.

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    I wouldnt necessarily say that freedom of speech rights are totally removed more when you are in highschool, (comming from a student who attends a private school) but in Elementry school, can we safely say that a child does not have the logic or skills to comprehend with certain situations, and can we safely say that the consequences of a childs act are not as sever as to an adult? Thus, removing certain rights must be necessary

    Plus, youre not a full citizen until you are a full adult, 18

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    Quote Originally Posted by TasteyPies
    Quote Originally Posted by Glendon
    Also, you will find yourself being ordered around to a much greater extent when you get a real job.
    An adult can have any lifestyle in the millions of different choices there are.
    All of which have their specific restrictions and rules that you must abide whether you like it or not. One can quit a job because of being ordered around, but will get another with the same environment. Even myself, who draws income independantly, must conform to my client's wishes.

    Minors have to follow simple rules like brushing their teeth and going to school. These pale in comparison to the rules, laws, restrictions etc. that an adult must follow irregardless of what they would prefer to do. If a minor has a problem with being told to take a bath, then I hope they can deal with being crushed by the weight of the world when they discover the sheer number of responsibilities in adulthood.

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