i am greatly confused by this. why tell kids that it is okay to have sex at under 16 (uk law, adapt it for own state or country)? it is illegal. it is a crime and should be preached against. or do we want "be responsible when you take e, smoke crack, shoot up" talks as well in school? "make sure it's a clean needle". or talks on how not to get cuts while climbing through a broken window? just for safety's sake.
it is a crime and should not be endorsed by educational facilities.
I think abortion is fine in some cases. Such as if a thirteen year old girl is raped and gets pregnant she shouldn't have to suffer pregnancy if she won't keep it or can't. My mother is pregnant and I know it's a difficult time when you're pregnant. It's something an unwilling teenager should not have to go through.
For those who consent to sex I don't think they should unless their birth control didn't work or somethnig like that.
This is all just my opininon though.
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Yet another rare instance when I completely agree with Cloud 9.Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
As far as I know, an adult having sex with a minor is illegal, not two minors having sex.i am greatly confused by this. why tell kids that it is okay to have sex at under 16 (uk law, adapt it for own state or country)? it is illegal.
Put it better than I could.1. abortions are for the majority carried out before the unborn baby is viable, this means that technically it is not alive and therefore the SURGEON (not doctor) who carries it out is killing nothing. DEAL WITH IT
2. people fall many pregnant for many reasons some of which were out of their control, should they have their freedom ripped from them for something that wasnt their fault in a world where justice is everything?
3. perhaps there should be more emphasis on teaching kids the way to have safe sex instead of poorly educating them and telling them not to do something they are going to do just because you told them not to.
4. regarding 'taking responsibility for your own actions' abortions are hardly pleasant experiences and ARE taking responisibility for your actions, its not as easy as walking into a clinic and having it amputated like a dying limb. It takes weeks of visiting clinics, checkups, scans and councilling and most likely you would have to travel a long way for these things, to major cities.
Abortion is the safest method of dealing with unwanted pregnancy for both mental and physical health of the unfortunate ladies who have dealt with it. Without legal abortions such women would have to refer back to before it was legalised and carry out completely unsafe home-jobs which mostly lead to infections and death.
And no, there should be NO paternal rights, I will be damned before some poor woman has to carry a baby against her will within legal rights.
1. by who's defonition by 17th ceuntry standards black people weren't people. By Nazi Standards The jews were animals. The eye of the beholder will blind people to many injustices
2. The majority of situations are caused by the mothers and fathers own lack of responability, having a child does not restrict your freedom apart from selfish desire the fact you think like that concerns me.
3. Prehaps the emphasis should be teaching kids not to have sex until they are sure of the strength of their relationship to accept the consequences of sex.
4. Doctors appointments aren't the responibility the unborn child is the responsibility.
Backstreet abortions are horrible and scaring for the few hundred women that foolishly attempt them but 300,000 babies are aborted in the UK every year, everyone should consider which they consider the bigger tradergy.
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Capital punishment is a-okay but killing a baby that can't be supported and may ruin someones life trying to support it is despicable. Forcing a girl to bear a child as punishment for being a slut is pretty disgusting. Let's ruin two peoples lives just to teach this stupid girl a lesson!
If someone kills someone, we won't demand he repent for his sins like the bible (I'm throwing out the bible because that's usually the basis for our morals in society) would have us do, we kill him. How much of the tax-payers money do we spend on orphanages? Is it justified to have EVERYONE pay? How many more people could we save if we didn't pay for oprhanages in hospitals? Just some thoughts. I'm feeling pretty indecisive myself.
Do you have any idea how hard it is--how much it costs, how long the wait is--for adoption in America? How many YEARS, how many THOUSANDS of dollars that hopeful parents have to pay, just to have a child of their own? Parents that may not be able to have children of their own, but are ready for them, as opposed to parents that are too irresponsible to not have children and are not ready for them yet? I believe there are something like four times the number of parents on the waiting list for an adoption than there are abortions in America every year, but I could be wrong about that.
Shortening the life of a murderer is wrong, but taking a life shortly after it starts is "a-okay"? By the way, a lot of people--myself included--wouldn't have a problem with abandoning capital punishment if our prison systems weren't a joke, but that's an entirely different subject. And most orphanages are privately funded--charity and all. But even if they were government-funded, why would it be wrong for taxpayers to spend money on orphanages, but our obligation to pay for food and health care for every irresponsible citizen?
One other thing I noticed, that goes along with all the "animal rights" nuts--why is it that raising an animal to be killed for food is immoral, but killing a baby is a matter of convenience?
You do realise that using multiple condoms increases the probability that one of them will break, don't you?
I'm okay with abortions if they're done before five months into the pregnancy, because from what I understand, the baby has no developed capacity to feel pain. After that, I'm only okay with them in cases of rape or in which the mother's life is threatened, and I don't approve of partial-birth abortions (in which the baby is killed as it's being born, hence the name partial birth at all).
To the people who are comparing sex to drugs: It's not the same. Drugs like E and crack are harmful no matter which way you slice it, but if you're careful and use protection and birth control, sex isn't actually that dangerous even at a young age; the only risk I'm aware of is that it increases the risk of cervical cancer developing. Granted, I don't think kids should be having sex, but it's their decision to make regardless, and if you give them the impression that sex is forbidden it just makes them want to do it more. Which a lot of them will.
I agree that adoption is preferable to abortion, but I also don't think it's a choice us males deserve to make, since we'll never have to deal with the physical symptoms of pregnancy. I do agree that women in long-term relationships should discuss it with their partners though.
Edit: And abstinence-only education is definitely happening in many parts of the country, and it's already been demonstrated not to have favourable results.
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what is it with this ridiculous attitude that it's the child's choice? no it isn't. it isn't his choice to drink, smoke, drive a car, watch porn or perform in it. it is the laws choice and it stands. it is whlly wrong to promote criminal activity. you can try and ensure it is done safely but to encourage it as normal behaviour is morally and legally wrong.
As a man I'd only justify abortion if there were medical complications so bad that the doctors feared for the mother's life.
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It's true that schools shouldn't encourage it, but I think you havea slightly hysterical idea of what constitutes "encouragement". The sad fact is, that many students in a typical class are going to end up having sex before they turn 16, so it is in everyone's best interest that everyone know how to use a condom. That's not encouragement, that's being sensible and teaching responsibility. Ignorance helps nobody.
Gibsie is spot-on.
i concur. it's gonna happen anyway. so as long as you ain't telling kids it's cool then it's fine if you tell them what to do what if they go down that track.
another question? what has caused the increase in underage sex?
the most likely cause of underage sex is a slackening of morals in modern youth society and slackening of the discipline imposed on young people. Could also have something to do with the fact that amount of pressure on kids to grow up quickly between the ages of 12 and 16 before they're even considered as adults legally. They wanna do what adults do.
And im trying hard not to repeat myself but it has to be said that there are some people here who are being a little naive about a foetus' life and rights. a baby is not alive until 24 weeks when it becomes viable. before that it is nothing but an extension of the mothers body which feeds from her and could not possibly survive if unattached. Which is why before that time if the baby came out it would be called a miscarriage, and after that time it would be called a birth.
It's most likely due to the frequency of sex in the media, which itself is largely due to the fact that birth control and protection now exist. Before, if you slept with people before getting married you had to worry about getting pregnant or impregnating someone or getting syphilis or something. The advent of condoms and the Pill meant that people no longer needed to worry about that sort of stuff, and thus it was more common for people to sleep with each other before marriage. That eventually trickled down to a loosening of morals. I don't think it can really be avoided, which is why we need to drill it into people's heads that casual/extramarital sex without condom use is *wrong.*
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