Well crap!!! That means I can't get them because I didn't even know that was a cave behind the waterfall when I was on disc 2. That is one of the downfalls of playing a game like that without a guide or anything. Oh well, I guess I don't really need it cuz with Cloud at level 97 and having the 4X-cut, Tifa at level 93, and everyone else in the 80's levels , it would (will) be easy to beat Sephy again if I so choose to. I really wanted to see it though.