Ultimecia/Rinoa Similarities

[ChaosVivi]

I just beat the game yesterday, and I got to thinking. I've heard some people say that there are similarities between Ultimecia and Rinoa, even so far as to say that Ultimecia is Rinoa's future self. I didn't see any of that. Where are these supposed similarities?

[rubah]

It's because there aren't any.
Thanks, come again ^_^

[Armisael]

I think there are some threads dealing with that,in this section..You should check them,they are really good..

[The Anarchy Angel]

Yeah, often "R=U" or "Rinoa and Ultimecia Theorem" or at least thats what i think its called, but it's pretty old and died out a whole ago

[BackRoomKid]

there's an editorial (which I can't find right now) that compares pictures with Ultimecia's face structure with Rinoa's...this is often used to argue with the R=U theory

[timmy64]

Yes, but Ultimecia is said to have never loved. Rinoa + Squall = No reason for Ultimecia to be Rinoa's future self.

[Slade]

Yes, but Ultimecia is said to have never loved. Rinoa + Squall = No reason for Ultimecia to be Rinoa's future self.

But how do you know it didnt turn out differently in Ultimecia's time.........Im actually all for the whole R=U thing. Im a fan for huge twists. Oh and about their faces, yep. They look alike

[rubah]

Face structure in a game with one face shape is pretty much crap

[Skyblade]

The similarity: Rinoa's outfit has wings. Ultimecia's outfit has wings. That's apparently enough to convince many that they are the same person.

[Luthien]

The similarity: Rinoa's outfit has wings. Ultimecia's outfit has wings. That's apparently enough to convince many that they are the same person.

That´s no real proof, I mean, EVERY sorceress in the game has some kind of wings. If you see a pic of Edea, she´s got 2 pieces of silk (I think it´s silk) on her back, so they can be her wings.
Then Adel, look at the pic, and she has a couple of "wings" (though they´re like made of "bone" or something), but they´re there.
We all know ´bout Rinoa´s angel wings... so I´m not gonna discuss that point.
And finally, look at the pic of Ulti, even in her last form, she has wings on her back.
So if the theory of R=U is based mostly on the "wings part", it´s completely WRONG....
Thank you very much, but try again!!!

[crazybayman]

Yes, but Ultimecia is said to have never loved. Rinoa + Squall = No reason for Ultimecia to be Rinoa's future self.

But how do you know it didnt turn out differently in Ultimecia's time.........Im actually all for the whole R=U thing. Im a fan for huge twists. Oh and about their faces, yep. They look alike

I like the idea. It would have given another great twist to the story.

The only thing is, is that they didn't even mention this concept once throughout the game. Sure Rinoa becomes a sorceress of sorts, but there's no hard-core linkage between her and Ultimecia, except for Ultimecia taking over Rinoa, as she did with Edea and Adel.

What I'm saying is, its a great idea, it would have been an excellent fit to the story and added a great twist to the plot, but there's no concrete evidence to support Ultimecia being Rinoa in the future. Maybe square thought of it, but then threw it out the window due to Rinoa & Squall's relationship.

Normally if it were the case, it would be blatently displayed in some way during the game. Even though there are some points to support it (i.e. the wings, similar looking faces, and they're both sorceresses), it wasn't a part of the script, and therefore is not true.

[Rand Al'Tor]

Huzzah, this again. It's a disputed theory. I myself believe in it because it makes Ultimecia an actually interesting villain, instead of 'generic evil woman from future' Other people have explained it bette rthan I have, but some points.

The faces is indeed hard to assume anything off. However, Ulti has black feather wings, Rinoa has white feather wings. Ulti wears a red dress, Rinoa wears a blue dress. It's not enough to carry it on its own, but it helps.

The game takes some trouble to tell us that Sorceresses have a tendency to become corrupted by their power and become evil. So Rinoa 'becoming evil' isn't such a stress to believe.

Rinoa, in a romantic conversation with Squall says she wishes that 'time would stop this moment'. In a game where the villain wants time compression, I think the writers have a reason for that.

The ending movie has repeated flashes between Rinoa and Ultimecia, ending with Squall's eye opening widely with a tear. To me, that doesn't seme like a desperate 'I give up' expression but that of someone who realizes a 'Very Bad Thing'

Rinoa asks Squall to promise that if she ever goes evil, he will kill her. Nice irony, as Squall DOES do that (or well...at least assists)


There is no proof that would stand up in court now. But a lot of things that are either 'pure chance' or 'good, subtle (perhaps too much so) script writing' And I always prefer to go with the 'nice' option.

[Doomie]

Both of their names end with the letter a. That means they're the same person. DUH!

[The Anarchy Angel]

Obviously

[Rand Al'Tor]

*scoffs at the naysayers*